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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    Prove that it's a problem.
    1. The fact that Obama has already granted over 1,000 waivers to Unions and Corporations.
    2. THe fact that you have already conceded that the deficit is a problem and that even using the forced assumptions in the bill, the CBO says that the bill will add to the deficit.
    3. THe fact that every entitlement program to date has cost far more than any prediction of cost at the time it was implemented.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    WHAT new entitlement program? does it have a name?
    Obama Care

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post

    1. The fact that Obama has already granted over 1,000 waivers to Unions and Corporations.
    2. THe fact that you have already conceded that the deficit is a problem and that even using the forced assumptions in the bill, the CBO says that the bill will add to the deficit.
    3. THe fact that every entitlement program to date has cost far more than any prediction of cost at the time it was implemented.
    You're pointing to an aspect of his health care plan which is a problem, the cost, as though that makes the entire plan a problem. I don't see it that way. There is the benefit that everyone will have access to healthcare. That solves a problem. Is it costly? Yes, but so is the current system of treating people without insurance with emergency room care. As far as the waivers, they're temporary.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    You're pointing to an aspect of his health care plan which is a problem, the cost, as though that makes the entire plan a problem. I don't see it that way. There is the benefit that everyone will have access to healthcare. That solves a problem. Is it costly? Yes, but so is the current system of treating people without insurance with emergency room care. As far as the waivers, they're temporary.
    The health care plan itself is the problem.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    Obama Care
    suppose it had been proposed by GWB, would BushCare be more palatable? No pun intended.
    IT IS A FACT that a lot of pundits, politicians, and ordinary people hate Obama enough to hate whatever he does.
    IT is also a fact that MOST of those who say they can't afford to buy their own insurance actually can afford it, but they would have to do without "essentials" like more house and car than they need, cell phones, cable TV, internet, dining out, hair and nail care, bling, saggy pants, pre-damaged pants, beer, wine, smokes, etc.
    Personal responsibility used to be a tenent of both parties to some degree. What happened?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post
    Obama Care
    We should get rid of ALL entitlement programs, but we should start with those that benefit the rich.....
    The preferred tax rates on "unearned income" have to go. All income should be taxed the same for all of us. All income should be subject to FICA taxes, no ceiling....
    No more subsidies for farmers, be they small, or corporate size.
    We should only help the truly disabled, all able bodied should be drafted into the Army Reserves and paid for their one weekend a month and their 2 weeks a year training, instead of just handing them cash to sit around and wait for the economy to change.
    Govt support should be in the form of a job, even if only part time....
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ggh View Post

    The health care plan itself is the problem.
    Again, that is ideologically subjective. I don't see it as a problem.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    What damage has Obama caused that wasn't a problem when he took over?
    He did the "Cash for Clunkers" which faild miserably which wasted money which increased the debt, unemployment has almost doubled, etc.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by DashingAmerican View Post
    He did the "Cash for Clunkers" which faild miserably which wasted money which increased the debt, unemployment has almost doubled, etc.
    the clunkers program was certainly abused, but that is small potatos compared to the Bush war on Iraq. No wars should be started without raising taxes immediately to pay for it....
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Sheik Yerbuti View Post
    I don't know that you can fairly compare the two in that regard. When FY2000 came to an end, the debt from the previous year barely increased at all ($18 billion); whereas when FY2008 came to an end, the debt from the previous year increased over $1 trillion. Bush inherited an economy that was slowing down from one of the strongest economies in our history; Obama inherited an economy that was in one of the worst recession in our history.

    Anyone who merely looks at the raw numbers to show the numbers are worse under Obama, while at the same time, ignores the different economies the two inherited, is not being honest.
    Well, as I have said play the blame game all you wish, matematics does not lie.
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