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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Oh I definitely lean to the right, the traditional right whose values where far more connected to the current libertarian ideals. But is that really a concern, we are talking about the economic system not my views on how society should behave.

    And once again i am confused by your statements (you might like to keep them simple but please give me enough information so I know what you are talking about.

    Your first statement is right the government does run on money (how much is the real question)
    Once again yes government money comes from either taxes, treasury stock, or the printing of more money (the second two have major inflationary issues so let's ignore them)
    Your third statement is the only one I have an issue with. Your logic indicates that you believe the real solution to our financial difficulties is to take money out of individuals hands and send it to the government. Know here is where the economics of that concept fall apart. Each and every dollar you remove from the free market to pay taxes is lost capital. The less capital that can be invested in our capitalist system the lower our GDP will be thus fewer structural jobs and thus less tax revenue in the future. Causing a downward spiral of deflation that would collapse our entire system and cause an untold amount of misery. (doomsday scenario I know)

    To truly elliminate our debt we must first eliminate the primary causes of said debt while allowing the free market to perform with the bare minimum of government regulation. The elimination of all non constitutionally stated federal responsibilities and their respective programs and agencies would result in massive surpluses we could use to pay down deficit, all the while individual capital has been left in the system allowing profit and growth to occur, thus more jobs and more tax revenue.

    And trust me I'm a dual finance and econ major, all I do is follow the money

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mayor Snorkum View Post
    No.

    If budget cuts are needed, spending is too high. Given that the left is having hernias over the thought that something as silly as NPR is getting cut, then the Left needs to get counseling and treatment for the their spendning addiction.
    I can understand budget cuts are sometime needed, but education, trade schools, come on??
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    I'm gonna say Bush.

    70% of the mess we're in is because of Bush. He came into office with a 250billion dollar surplus, and left us in a recession, a Horrible reputation abroad, in two wars, major debt, horrendous corruption in businesses. Lack of response in Katrina... Shall I go on?

    Obama has his F*** ups as well but so far I think he's done more good then bad. Every President has his ups and downs. Even Roosevelt made some S**** decisions.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think you can really judge how much damage either has done for some years yet.
    This.

    Saying which president has done more damage is saying that President Obama is the worst President ever. Both are completely wrong as we have yet to fully assess what either has done. For all we know, 20 years down the line the general public will all be talking about how great President Bush was.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Same opinion as always. Both act in narrowly parameters imposed by Washington's networking-centered political culture, the material demands of governing a superpower, and the unhelpful, poorly informed, and ever fluctuating expectations of the American people; the limitations of our political system, economic reality, and the American people are more to blame for America's decline than any president.

    But the Bush Administration was more harmful because of the "Iraq Adventure," which it jerryrigged into existence out of the 9/11 tragedy.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I'm going to keep my opinion out of the first post. I think the title pretty much sizes things up. George W. Bush vs. Barack Hussein Obama
    Obama has transformed the US extremly succesfull to an international Joke.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I can understand budget cuts are sometime needed, but education, trade schools, come on??
    But the Constitution? Come, you can't be serious about ignoring the Constitution everytime it's completely inconvenient for you, can you?

    Not to mention the fact that Mayor Snorkum isn't responsible for the education of anyone he hasn't allowed to lay an ob on him

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    Strange I thought budget cuts came from less tax revenue due to less jobs.
    No.

    Budget cuts come from spending less.

    Lost revenue due is one reason to cut a budget.

    That the spending is in violation of the law is a better reason.


    As far as I'm concerned the left as well as the right both need counseling and treatment for their spending addiction.
    As far as the Mayor is concerned, people spending illegally on social engineering programs are all on the left. There isn't a whole heck of a lot of unconstitutional spending on the right side of the equation, not when it's compared to the education, welfare, and social security bills due.

    Nor does your blind partisanship matter to a problem in accounting.

    However 8 yrs with Bush? How much was the deficit in 2000, how much was the deficit in 2008? do the math
    Yes, Bush was a leftist. All of us know this, some of us admit it, some of us lie that it's not true.

    Obama almost 4 yrs.
    Less than 2 1/2.

    You can make excuses or plead bad luck but numbers are numbers.
    Better yet, the Mayor can claim he's never voted for either leftist, and the Mayor certainly never supported any of their unconstitutional spending habits.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Too early for sensible people to rate Obama. Wait and see how he fares after 2012..

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    No, the sensible people rated Obama before November 2008 and didn't vote for him.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by dadrone View Post
    I will say that Obama is better on a few things. Aka - trying to wind down the Iraq War is a good thing IMO. Also, I applaud his efforts to stop the raids on medical marijuana users who are in unambiguous compliance with state laws.
    Re the Iraq war: All Obama did was follow the plan that Bush had developed for winding dow the war in Iraq.

    Re Marijuna: You do realize that it is against Federal law to posses or use Marijuna and that Federal law trumps State law. What Obama is doing is failing in his duties to uphold the laws of the United States. He could have used political capital to repeal the Marijuna laws when his party had full controll of both houses of congress but he didn't.

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