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Thread: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Yes we needed to lose some damn jobs, because we have been messing with the market far too much through political influence over the FED. Both parties have placed pressures upon FED board members to cut interest rates to keep the economy afloat. The recent recession is the result of 20 years of easy money. There is a business cycle, people will lose jobs and get new ones, pouring money into the bottom only gives people a short term cash flow that soon runs out. (give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he will eat for life).

    Now regarding the tax cuts they were directly correlated to an increase in our daily output of 1.8 billion dollars while the wars (especially Iraq) cost 2 billion. Without 9/11 Bush would have gone down as an acceptable president.


    Finally Obama has caused a 225 billion dollar deficit in one month, greater than the entire 2007 deficit, nuff said

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Bush, easily.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Bush hands down, its not even a contest at this point but ask me again a couple years after Obama is done.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    I like Bush much more than Obama, but I still think that Bush did more economic damage to our country than Obama has. Obama's damage has been political. I hope that we can find someone to replace him in next year's election.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    As far as reputation goes? Bush.

    As far as taking away rights? They are about even.

    As far as spending money like its going out of style? Obama.

    So all in all I would say that they are about even.
    That's pretty frightening, considering Bush was in for 8 years, to Bammy's 2. Pretty frickin scary, alright.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by presluc View Post
    I don't mind breaking a few eggs but these damn budget cuts could be a little less.
    If you are upset about budget cuts, then you are really going to be upset by what will inevitably have to happen to right things.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kulterkampf View Post
    Yes we needed to lose some damn jobs, because we have been messing with the market far too much through political influence over the FED. Both parties have placed pressures upon FED board members to cut interest rates to keep the economy afloat. The recent recession is the result of 20 years of easy money. There is a business cycle, people will lose jobs and get new ones, pouring money into the bottom only gives people a short term cash flow that soon runs out. (give a man a fish he will eat for a day, teach a man to fish he will eat for life).

    Now regarding the tax cuts they were directly correlated to an increase in our daily output of 1.8 billion dollars while the wars (especially Iraq) cost 2 billion. Without 9/11 Bush would have gone down as an acceptable president.


    Finally Obama has caused a 225 billion dollar deficit in one month, greater than the entire 2007 deficit, nuff said
    Less jobs less paychecks, less paychecks less tax revenue.

    Less tax revenue, what does that do for the FED help it or hurt it???

    9/11 OR NO 9/11 Bush was a loser going in as president he would have been the same loser coming out.
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    If you are upset about budget cuts, then you are really going to be upset by what will inevitably have to happen to right things.
    Have to happen to right things?

    Why does it have to happen only one way.

    More taxes might put a dent in budget cuts or what's coming.

    More jobs produce more tax revenue that is a fact is it not?
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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Alright very understandable statement if you believe the economy runs purely in the short run. Just like Obama is not to Blame for the economic mess that is occurring during his administration the collapse of the economy in 2007 wasn't really caused by anything that occurred in 2007. (slight addendum, yes triggers caused the initial collapse of the subprime mortgage market but it's existence and why it caused the recession can be found due to the previous 4 administrations if not more.) the reason that the market collapsed was not due to a failure of the free market. Instead the roots lie with government interference with the market. Those you should blame for the loss of jobs is the FED and every politician that doesn't attempt to disband it. The bank rate that is controlled by the fed has been consistently been kept very low to keep the economy functioning and to avoid a recession. This low bank rate or easy money policy has kept the American machine on a constant meteoric trajectory for the last 15 years. Due to the low bank rate cash is readily accessible for banks and thus consumers, which all sounds like good things. Yet due t the artificially low rate projects that are economically and financially non viable were allowed to develop and grow thanks to the constant supply of easy capital. Thus subprime mortgages as well as other financial instruments and businesses that were truly inefficient eventually collapsed, which is normal due to the business cycle. Yet thanks to FED board members playing god with the economy and politicians trying to keep their seats due to short run thinking of most voters the system was pushed beyond it's ability to form. Thus stats about jobs don't hold any weight in this situation. Now regarding the tax cuts, I dont know any current numbers about their effect but there is consistent empirical evidence throughout history that whenever you cut taxes there are more real structural jobs unlike the temporary jobs produced by make work projects and handouts (FDR-new deal. Which is the real reason the great depression wasn't the great recession).

    Real jobs are made from mutually beneficial economic exchanges, not from government redistribution.

    Now if you want to discuss all of the backdoor deals found in the bush administration I would be right there with you but he wasn't the real cause for the un employment.

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    Re: Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

    Just so we are on the same page please tell me what you think the FED is, because your statement does not make sense regarding the Federal reserve banks, they have no direct concern with tax revenue.

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