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Who Do You Think Has Done More Damage to the Country, Bush or Obama?

Who's worse Bush or Obama?

  • Bush

    Votes: 72 64.3%

  • Obama

    Votes: 40 35.7%
  • Total voters
    112
OscarB63 said:
tell that to the 15% of the population who is still unemployed, or the prisoners still in GITMO, or the troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan...oh and Libya

yeah, that Obama has done a bangup good job.
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Last i checked it was like 9% or something like that...
Not an Obama fan just saying...
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Last i checked it was like 9% or something like that...
Not an Obama fan just saying...
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I'm not an Obama fan either in my opinion he's too weak.

However the facts are the facts we had little debt in 2000 we had huge debt in 2008.

Katrina, the Iraq war, the duct tape for biological weapons, I should not have to continue.

Now one might say Bush had some bad luck, but then you could say Carter had some bad luck.
But Carter made huge mistakes and he was a bit wimpy.

So sre we to say Clinton had good luck and Carter had bad luck?

Come on, we are talking 8 years here, 6 of those years controled by the Republican in the White House, as well as Congress.
Which the congress for 6 years supported Bush, exept on the port security being turned over to Dubai. a company known to deal with terrorist.
 
presluc said:
I'm not an Obama fan either in my opinion he's too weak.

However the facts are the facts we had little debt in 2000 we had huge debt in 2008.

Katrina, the Iraq war, the duct tape for biological weapons, I should not have to continue.

Now one might say Bush had some bad luck, but then you could say Carter had some bad luck.
But Carter made huge mistakes and he was a bit wimpy.

So sre we to say Clinton had good luck and Carter had bad luck?

Come on, we are talking 8 years here, 6 of those years controled by the Republican in the White House, as well as Congress.
Which the congress for 6 years supported Bush, exept on the port security being turned over to Dubai. a company known to deal with terrorist.
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I agree but Obama's hand were tied he had little to no choice to what he had to do.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I agree but Obama's hand were tied he had little to no choice to what he had to do.
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One of the main reasons I left the Democratic party, and became an Independent.

Democtatic as well as Republican leaders all saying the same things "my hands are tied"???

The leaders of the 3rd most infuencial nation in the world and their "hands are tied"???
Nobody tied their hands when they put a ban on smoking in a restuarant.
Nobody tied their hands when land was taken for the progress of America.
Nobody tied thier hands when the social security pension got raided perhaps to bailout corporations.
Maybe the politicians hands are only tied when they tie them theirself:peace
 
bush started everything you just mention, besides lybia, and that was split between england and france as well, obama has been trying to clean this mess up, not the best job, but at least were not on a downward spiral anymore, we've leveled, so obama has already done more good in two years than any bush ever did, clinton had a SURPLUS!!! Bush tanked our economy and national debt,so get real, educate yourself PLEASE im so sick n tired of misinformed people, i think we could do better than obama, but at least our plane stop its high velocity decent, and stabilized.

OscarB63 said:
tell that to the 15% of the population who is still unemployed, or the prisoners still in GITMO, or the troops still in Iraq and Afghanistan...oh and Libya

yeah, that Obama has done a bangup good job.
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lovelyLUDWIG said:
bush started everything you just mention, besides lybia, and that was split between england and france as well, obama has been trying to clean this mess up, not the best job, but at least were not on a downward spiral anymore, we've leveled, so obama has already done more good in two years than any bush ever did, clinton had a SURPLUS!!! Bush tanked our economy and national debt,so get real, educate yourself PLEASE im so sick n tired of misinformed people, i think we could do better than obama, but at least our plane stop its high velocity decent, and stabilized.
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anybody wonder why McCain lost? because he wanted to.
If he had won, the GOP would have had to shoulder the blame for 12 years of disaster.....instead of just 8.....
 
lovelyLUDWIG said:
bush started everything you just mention, besides lybia, and that was split between england and france as well, obama has been trying to clean this mess up, not the best job, but at least were not on a downward spiral anymore, we've leveled, so obama has already done more good in two years than any bush ever did, clinton had a SURPLUS!!! Bush tanked our economy and national debt,so get real, educate yourself PLEASE im so sick n tired of misinformed people, i think we could do better than obama, but at least our plane stop its high velocity decent, and stabilized.
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In my opinion Bush was a disaster, but Obama should try harder.
Obama should know by now talks cheap you want change you ain't going to get it by making speeches.
 
UtahBill said:
anybody wonder why McCain lost? because he wanted to.
If he had won, the GOP would have had to shoulder the blame for 12 years of disaster.....instead of just 8.....
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Not that the Grand Old Party would want to handle anything difficult, might break a fingernail. lol
 
Obama, because of his health care plan.
 
Agent 1337 said:
Obama, because of his health care plan.
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which is not all that different from plans previously proposed by members of the GOP...and most of what republicans say about the DEM plan is a bunch of lies....

PolitiFact Florida | Florida Republican Party claims Democratic health care plan is government takeover

then there is this...
Obama's Moderate Health Care Plan | The New Republic
And indeed, this is exactly the case. Obama's plan closely mirrors three proposals that have attracted the support of Republicans who reside within their party's mainstream: The first is the 1993 Senate Republican health plan, which is compared with Obama's plan here, with the similarity endorsed by former Republican Senator Dave Durenberger here. The second is the Bipartisan Policy Center plan, endorsed by Bob Dole, Howard baker, George Mitchell and Tom Daschle, which is compared to Obama's plan here. And the third, of course, is Mitt Romney's Massachusetts plan, which was crafted by the same economist who helped create Obama's plan, and which is rhetorically indistinguishable from Obama's. (The main difference are that Obama's plan cuts Medicare and imposes numerous other cost-saving measures -- which is to say, attempting to craft a national version of Romney's plan would result in something substantially more liberal than Obama's proposal.)
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Agent 1337 said:
Obama, because of his health care plan.
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1 bad plan, I think you cando better than that.

Look at the list Bush made too numerous to name but just a few, the pre-invasion of Iraq due to quote "bad intelligence" who starts a war on bad intelligence?
Katrina "doin a heck of a job Brownie" even Brownie said he was doin a bad job?
Port security to be turned over to Dubai a company known to deal with terrorist.
The Patriot act?
Need I go on?
 
presluc said:
1 bad plan, I think you cando better than that.

Look at the list Bush made too numerous to name but just a few, the pre-invasion of Iraq due to quote "bad intelligence" who starts a war on bad intelligence?
Katrina "doin a heck of a job Brownie" even Brownie said he was doin a bad job?
Port security to be turned over to Dubai a company known to deal with terrorist.
The Patriot act?
Need I go on?
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bad plan? how can it be called bad if it hasn't even been implemented yet?
 
How anyone could vote for Obama over Bush is beyond me. Obama has done more to help this country and reform the way things work more than any president in my lifetime. Here is what Bush did to **** the country up:

-Bush tax cuts help put us in the position we are in talking about the debt and deficit in the first place
-Took us into Iraqi for no real reason costing us American lives and dollars, in doing this forces in Afghanistan along with relations got bad and Afghanistan cost us more money, and is a war we are still a part of to this day
-Oh yeah, I think most of you forget that Bush's parting gift was a crippling recession that we still struggle to get out of although it is technically "over"
-Patriot Act
-Dick Cheney, who is nothing but a true politician through and through. The one thing I can respect about Dick Cheney is he def admits that everything he did as VP was for show, everything from being against gay marriage (now for gay marriage) all the way to having no problem at all with making sure Halliburton was a major military contractor.
 
JohnWOlin said:
How anyone could vote for Obama over Bush is beyond me. Obama has done more to help this country and reform the way things work more than any president in my lifetime. Here is what Bush did to **** the country up:

-Bush tax cuts help put us in the position we are in talking about the debt and deficit in the first place
-Took us into Iraqi for no real reason costing us American lives and dollars, in doing this forces in Afghanistan along with relations got bad and Afghanistan cost us more money, and is a war we are still a part of to this day
-Oh yeah, I think most of you forget that Bush's parting gift was a crippling recession that we still struggle to get out of although it is technically "over"
-Patriot Act
-Dick Cheney, who is nothing but a true politician through and through. The one thing I can respect about Dick Cheney is he def admits that everything he did as VP was for show, everything from being against gay marriage (now for gay marriage) all the way to having no problem at all with making sure Halliburton was a major military contractor.
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I agree with your post.
However, I change my voting preference from Democrtat to Independent.

My reason is simple the Democratic party along with Obama are getting too wimpy and soft.
They got Republican, libertarian, Liberitarian {what's the differance don't ask me}, and the Tea party blasting them from all sides.
What does Obama do to retaliate makes another speech about the difficult road ahead to change.

When Republicans pushed Kennedy he pushed back, same with Truman, as well as Clinton.
Obama is begining to sound like Carter wants to be everybodys friend,

There are no friends in cut throat politics, it's dog eat dog now
Bypartism left D.C. in 1999 it won't be back anytime soon.:peace
 
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GoodOleBoy said:
Obama has.
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Obama didn't take office with little or no debt, Bush did 8 years later though America was an economic disaster.

This is not party politics, this is not favortism, this is mathematics.:peace
 
presluc said:
Obama didn't take office with little or no debt, Bush did 8 years later though America was an economic disaster.

This is not party politics, this is not favortism, this is mathematics.:peace
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Bush took over with a debt of 5.7 trillion and a federal budget surplus of 128 billion (FY2001) ; Obama took over with a 10.6 trillion dollar debt and a federal budget deficit of 1.4 trillion (FY2009).
 
UtahBill said:
post 236, yours.....sure looks as tho you are calling Obama's healthcare plan bad...
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Yeah, that's my thread I have did and do critisise Obama's health plan.
To me it looks more like an insurance ad than a health plan.
I also said that Obama is too wimpy , and he can not solve America's problems by making speeches

What's your point ,sir?

However if we are to compare bad plans, as well as bad decisions made btween Bush and Obama by all means lets?

All I've heard is Obama's health bill true it's bad

But what of Bushes plan to pre invade Iraq based on bad intelligence, what of Bushes speech tof MISSION ACCOMPLISHED,
What of Bushes plan to turn over America's port security to Dubai a company known to deal with terrorist.
Need I go on?:peace
 
presluc said:
Yeah, that's my thread I have did and do critisise Obama's health plan.
To me it looks more like an insurance ad than a health plan.
I also said that Obama is too wimpy , and he can not solve America's problems by making speeches

What's your point ,sir?

However if we are to compare bad plans, as well as bad decisions made btween Bush and Obama by all means lets?

All I've heard is Obama's health bill true it's bad

But what of Bushes plan to pre invade Iraq based on bad intelligence, what of Bushes speech tof MISSION ACCOMPLISHED,
What of Bushes plan to turn over America's port security to Dubai a company known to deal with terrorist.
Need I go on?:peace
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if you are looking to me for support of the Bush clan, you do not know me.....
Bush Jr. had a war and a tax cut at the same time. Texans should be able to do the math better than that....after all, No Child Left Behind started in Texas, under Bush...
 
This thread just shows how conservative these boards are. While Obama has not been as great as many had hoped, he has a long long way to go before even reaching Bush's knees on the damage done to the US.

Bush doubled the US debt, exploded the US deficit, managed to have year after year of deficits despite having a booming (bubble) economy, did nothing to prevent the housing bubble and in fact helped it get even worse and the list of his economic failures go on and on. Also he started 2 wars and took corruption in government to new levels, stretching from allowing the raping of the Government by private corporations his own people had links too, over to bringing in partisan **** into disaster relief in Katrina... 100 dollar plastic sheeting anyone? Toxic mobile homes for evacuees anyone?
 
I don't think it is possible for one man to shoulder all the responsibility for a country's changes. It is about communities and networks of people taking action in a chain of events. The public is also involved in that - not just government. Even in the absence of a government, the country would be constantly changing.

I'd rather like to think of the Bush or Obama periods as non-Bush and non-Obama periods. In other words, they were just periods of time, where there were different influences, different intentions, and different approaches to addressing our whole way of life. Our Presidents were part of that for sure, but so were we, and I don't think any of us could really pinpoint a single human as the reason for what happened. That is far too egotistical and narcissistic for my taste.
 
PeteEU said:
This thread just shows how conservative these boards are. While Obama has not been as great as many had hoped, he has a long long way to go before even reaching Bush's knees on the damage done to the US.

Bush doubled the US debt, exploded the US deficit, managed to have year after year of deficits despite having a booming (bubble) economy, did nothing to prevent the housing bubble and in fact helped it get even worse and the list of his economic failures go on and on. Also he started 2 wars and took corruption in government to new levels, stretching from allowing the raping of the Government by private corporations his own people had links too, over to bringing in partisan **** into disaster relief in Katrina... 100 dollar plastic sheeting anyone? Toxic mobile homes for evacuees anyone?
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I disagree with just about everything you ever say anyway, but this is real bull****.
 
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