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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I don't support the notion that one has the 'right' to abandon their post on the taxpayers dime.
    Back again with the issue of the pay. So don't pay 'em. This isn't about money, at least not for the reps, but it's about a principle of protecting the livelihoods of people who work for the State, to the benefit of the entire community.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Back again with the issue of the pay. So don't pay 'em. This isn't about money, at least not for the reps, but it's about a principle of protecting the livelihoods of people who work for the State, to the benefit of the entire community.
    This is about the principle of the public sector bleeding taxpayers dry with their over-the-top Rolls Royce Benefit Plans....it's about the public sector retirement plans that put the rest of ours to shame....it's about taxpayers not being able to afford to carry these public sector workers on their back anymore....it's about Democrats giving away the store to public unions in order to assure their own re-election. Wisconsin is the tip of the iceburg. Nationally, our public pensions for Fed workers are in worse shape than the Social Security fund. It is a horrendous situation.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    As long as Republicans in Congress get free government healthcare while being against it publicly for everyone else, and refuse to give up their own government healthcare, then I see no problem in these Democrats getting paid for doing their duty to protect their constituents against an overbearing majority.

    The real question is should any politician get paid as long as they are partisan hacks and refuse to compromise to fix the US economy?
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is about the principle of the public sector bleeding taxpayers dry with their over-the-top Rolls Royce Benefit Plans....it's about the public sector retirement plans that put the rest of ours to shame....it's about taxpayers not being able to afford to carry these public sector workers on their back anymore....it's about Democrats giving away the store to public unions in order to assure their own re-election. Wisconsin is the tip of the iceburg. Nationally, our public pensions for Fed workers are in worse shape than the Social Security fund. It is a horrendous situation.
    Well, it strikes me that you (and us over here in Europe) are suffering a crisis that was 100% the creation of the private, financial sector. They came running to dip into the public purse to have their debts underwritten by the tax payer, which stupidly the governments decided to do. You are now expecting the public sector workers to soak up the impact of those debts, taken on by the western governments on behalf of, but without consulting, the tax-payers. At the same time, the corporate recipients of those trillions of tax dollars, who haven't yet repaid the bail-outs, are still giving themselves multi-million dollar bonuses...and you're getting angry at the firemen, teachers and health workers. I think you need to rethink your values, Maggie.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    This is about the principle of the public sector bleeding taxpayers dry with their over-the-top Rolls Royce Benefit Plans....it's about the public sector retirement plans that put the rest of ours to shame....it's about taxpayers not being able to afford to carry these public sector workers on their back anymore....it's about Democrats giving away the store to public unions in order to assure their own re-election. Wisconsin is the tip of the iceburg. Nationally, our public pensions for Fed workers are in worse shape than the Social Security fund. It is a horrendous situation.
    Democrat lawmakers the protesters have said numerous times that they concede to cuts in benefits as well as paying more into benifits. Even Fox news has reported this. This is about them wanting to keep their ability to collectively bargain. So its its dishonest to say they want to keep bleeding the public dry.



    PTAOfficerforObama: This IS about rights. The cuts and concession*s were agreed

    Democratic lawmakers have said they and union members would agree to financial concessions that the Republican governor wants in exchange for workers keeping their collective bargaining rights.

    Impasse over Wisconsin union rights proposal enters second week as Democrats remain on the run | StarTribune.com
    Public employees have said they would agree to concessions Walker wants that would amount to an 8 percent pay cut on average, but they want to retain their collective bargaining rights.

    Wis. governor turns up pressure on Democrats - U.S. news - Life - msnbc.com
    "We'd love to come back today," said Sen. Jon Erpenbach. "We could be up there this afternoon and pass this if he would agree to removing the language that has absolutely nothing to do with balancing the budget."


    Wis. governor refuses to give in to protests - USATODAY.com
    Public employees have said they would agree to concessions Walker wants that would amount to an 8% pay cut on average if they can retain collective bargaining rights. Another option would make the elimination of those rights temporary.

    Protesters in Wisconsin Aim to Keep the Peace
    Sen. Jon Erpenbach said Democrats want Walker to seriously consider a deal under which public employees would agree to pay more for benefits as long as they kept their rights to collectively bargain.

    Read more on Newsmax.com: Protesters in Wisconsin Aim to Keep the Peace


    Wisconsin Gov Holds Firm As Protests Enter Day 6 - FoxNews.com

    They argued the unions had already agreed to cuts in their health care and retirement benefits that could reduce take-home pay for many workers by about 8 percent, and it was time for the Republican governor to compromise.

    Read more: Wisconsin Gov Holds Firm As Protests Enter Day 6 - FoxNews.com
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is what cracks me up about politics. Its okay if our side does but we'll scream bloody murder if your side does the same thing we did. Sure there might be a few people out there would be still be outraged regardless of what side did it, but I still think its the fact an issue that they oppose has not come up yet while their side is in the minority. I know that if there was a liberal governor and he wanted impose legislation that allow tax payer dollars to be used for abortion, free college for illegals or a whole bunch of issues I do not support and the politicians who shared my views were in the minority I would support them doing what it takes prevent that legislation from being enacted, including skipping town so that a vote couldn't happen.
    fillibustering is different from skipping town. one uses the processes in place to defend againts a particular piece of legislation; the other removes from the people the ability to self-govern at all.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Democrat lawmakers the protesters have said numerous times that they concede to cuts in benefits as well as paying more into benifits. Even Fox news has reported this. This is about them wanting to keep their ability to collectively bargain. So its its dishonest to say they want to keep bleeding the public dry.
    the one is the same as the other; they want to retain the source of the problem in favor of cosmetic improvements.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    fillibustering is different from skipping town. one uses the processes in place to defend againts a particular piece of legislation; the other removes from the people the ability to self-govern at all.
    Until they make a law that makes it to where votes can go on if politicians skip town, this will always be another process to defend against a particular piece of legislation. I would think republicans in Wisconsin would be severely pissed at their elected officials not using the same tactics when they were in the minority.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    you continually surprise me. thanks.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    the one is the same as the other; they want to retain the source of the problem in favor of cosmetic improvements.
    Free collective bargaining is a basic human right in a free society. To my mind it should be an explicit constitutional right, as it is in many modern democracies. I'd fight pretty bloody hard not to have the authoritarian bosses take that right away.
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