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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Until they change the rules and make it to where a quorum can still go on if politicians deliberately skip town to miss vote or change the rules only requiring a simple majority then the minority will always have the option of skipping town.
    This issue isn't can they. The issue is should they. Just like freedom of speech just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. These Dem Senators should have a little more Honor.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This issue isn't can they. The issue is should they. Just like freedom of speech just because you can say something doesn't mean you should. These Dem Senators should have a little more Honor.
    In defending the rights of working people of their state, the Democratic Senators are showing honor, courage and heroism.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    In defending the rights of working people of their state, the Democratic Senators are showing honor, courage and heroism.
    The Democratic senators are subverting the democratic process and should be brought up on ethics violations for their obstructionism.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Democratic senators are subverting the democratic process and should be brought up on ethics violations for their obstructionism.
    If this is true, than ethic charges should go around every time there is obstructionism, effectively banning things like a filibuster.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If this is true, than ethic charges should go around every time there is obstructionism, effectively banning things like a filibuster.
    Filibustering is a perfectly legal tactic, to many's chagrin. Running-and-hiding, on the other hand, is not. Our governments would grind to a halt if, every time a party thought they'd lose a vote, they skipped town if they could effect the quorum. It would effectively paralyze our legislatures.

    Hey! That'd be a good thing!
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Filibustering is a perfectly legal tactic, to many's chagrin. Running-and-hiding, on the other hand, is not. Our governments would grind to a halt if, every time a party thought they'd lose a vote, they skipped town if they could effect the quorum. It would effectively paralyze our legislatures.

    Hey! That'd be a good thing!
    So you don't think filibustering is obstructionism? To me, both cases are examples of people taking advantage of rules for purposes they were not meant for.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    So you don't think filibustering is obstructionism? To me, both cases are examples of people taking advantage of rules for purposes they were not meant for.
    I don't disagree with you. I'm actually one of the "many" who's chagrinned. ;-)
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't disagree with you. I'm actually one of the "many" who's chagrinned. ;-)
    My concern is that charges on ethics should not be selectively applied. If we are going to propose ethics charges for obstructionism, we should be fair across the board.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    This issue isn't can they. The issue is should they.
    Yes they should. Because they owe it to their voters to look out for their interests and to use any legally available means to do so. Because after all is said and done they can honestly say they did everything in their power to look our for the interests of their voters even if legislation they did not want passed.

    Just like freedom of speech just because you can say something doesn't mean you should.
    Unlike freedom of speech you can modify the quorum rules at a state level. You can modify the rules to state that if you deliberately refuse to show to up in order to prevent a quorum the vote will still go on and you will forfeit your vote. You can also ban filibusters, you can choose whether or not something only needs a simple majority,55% majority a 60% majority and so on.


    These Dem Senators should have a little more Honor.
    It would be dishonorable of a politician to not use any legally available means to support and enact legislation his voters support and to oppose and prevent legislation his voters are against. I know that if republicans had the ability to fillabuster Obamacar and they didn't I would be severely pissed at them.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
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    I wonder if the Senate will ratchet up the stakes and begin talking about ethics violations...
    "ethics violations"??? Compel means what it says, so how about we wonder why the Guv hasn't directed his AG to issue an "arrest warrant" for each member to compel them to come back? Either the Guv acts in "the public interest" and plays hardball or he doesn't!

    The rogue legislators have an ally in IL Governor Quinn who is feeling almost giddy:
    Gov. Quinn: Fleeing Lawmakers Welcome in Illinois, Not ‘Hiding’
    Updated: Friday, 25 Feb 2011, 12:36 PM CST
    Published : Friday, 25 Feb 2011, 12:36 PM CST

    FOX Chicago News

    Chicago - As Democratic lawmakers from Wisconsin and Indiana have fled to Illinois, Gov. Pat Quinn is trying to downplay any tension between our state and neighboring ones.

    The governor objects to the idea that those lawmakers from other states are "hiding out."

    "They're not hiding out. They're visiting Illinois, and we're happy they're here. I talked to one of their leaders, I think on Sunday, and they're always welcome," Quinn said. "Regional differences don't really help any state. We got to work as a region. And I’m head of the midwest Governor's Association. We're meeting this weekend on Sunday at 8. That ought to be a lot of fun."
    I wonder just how giddy he'd be feeling if he had to refuse a bench warrant from a judge in his neigboring state of WI? If he did and I was Guv of WI I'd ask a federal court judge to hold him in contempt and advise him that he better respect a legally issued and served warrant or face the consequences. A little brown in the bloomers can be a wonderful motivator.
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