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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thinking about this. I guess I now agree with those who say that sometimes the right thing is more important than democracy. At least for some things.
    and making sure that Wisconsin doesn't become the 27th state to limit collective bargaining for its public employees (who are serving the people .... supposedly) is more important than democracy?

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    I voted no.

    I know some of you will freak out.

    While I support what they're doing, they shouldn't be paid for being off the job.

    That said, I think if state legislatures want to fix their budgets the first thing they should ****ing do is cut their own salaries before they ask others to sacrifice.

    But of course Walker and his puppet masters aren't asking for that at all.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    So..., those who are of different opinion than you wormy are defined as "spammers" and sluffed off as not entitled to have a vote. How very altruistic of you. When is your next Bund meeting scheduled?[/FONT][/SIZE]
    Actiually he is correct about this. In certain polls, we have conservatives that "stack" the poll towards their side. Check the poll results. What you will see is 29 names, but 77 votes. That's 48 spam votes. Happens every once in a while, pretty much always done by conservatives. I have a suspicion of who it is.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actiually he is correct about this. In certain polls, we have conservatives that "stack" the poll towards their side. Check the poll results. What you will see is 29 names, but 77 votes. That's 48 spam votes. Happens every once in a while, pretty much always done by conservatives. I have a suspicion of who it is.
    What stacking? Even looking at registered members alone the no votes have it by a landslide.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    What stacking? Even looking at registered members alone the no votes have it by a landslide.
    30-17 by registered voters. 48 spam votes for "no", 8 spam votes for "yes". That's called stacking. What the real vote is, is irrelevant.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    according to that oath you cited, their job is to discharge the duties of their office. that means showing up and voting.
    No, unless it is very explicit in that (is it?), it means representing your constituents to the best of your ability. I'm guessing there is no element of that oath which specifies that the only way you may do that is by showing up and voting, not even that that is the method of representing your constituents that must take precedence over all others.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    No, unless it is very explicit in that (is it?), it means representing your constituents to the best of your ability. I'm guessing there is no element of that oath which specifies that the only way you may do that is by showing up and voting, not even that that is the method of representing your constituents that must take precedence over all others.
    So every time one party disagrees with a Bill they should just leave and shutdown the Legislative branch of government?

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    So every time one party disagrees with a Bill they should just leave and shutdown the Legislative branch of government?
    Your powers of extrapolation are great, Grasshopper, but misguided. Did I say that? I merely said that turning up and voting at a congressional session are not the only ways (or even the most effective ways) of representing your constituents. Were a rep to negotiate the investment of a major corporation into their district, bring hundreds of jobs, s/he would also have engaged in non-congressional activity, but would have benefitted their constituents to a far greater extent than merely turning up and voting to cut refuse collection services.

    Voting's necessary, but hardly to the exclusion of all else.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Your powers of extrapolation are great, Grasshopper, but misguided. Did I say that? I merely said that turning up and voting at a congressional session are not the only ways (or even the most effective ways) of representing your constituents. Were a rep to negotiate the investment of a major corporation into their district, bring hundreds of jobs, s/he would also have engaged in non-congressional activity, but would have benefitted their constituents to a far greater extent than merely turning up and voting to cut refuse collection services.

    Voting's necessary, but hardly to the exclusion of all else.
    It's no different than using the filibuster - a procedural technique for the minority party to fight the majority.

    But it's only patriotic when Republicans use procedural techniques. It's terrorism when Democrats do it.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Now you have a medical degree in psychiatry?

    If you look at any of the 528 threads here on Wisconsin, you will quickly see that there are lots of supporters of the Senators who have left to protect the rights of working people in their state. That is a heroic act and deserves to be praised.

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    That is exactly what they are doing. The Senators have employed the rules - to the letter - to defend the working people of Wisconsin.
    Then let them vote 'No' on the legislation. What's the big deal?
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