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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    I see that the conservative spammers did their usual mindless "voting" here.
    I vote yes, they are still doing their jobs, rather effectively, I might add.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    by any means necessary?
    As long as it is legal.


    well let's see:



    seems like they're not exactly performing their duties of said office by refusing to show up to the office .
    Is there a rule in their job description that says they can't stop a quorum by refusing to show up to vote? Their primary duty is to support and enact laws that their voters want and to oppose and prevent laws their voters do not want. Until Wisconsin changes this,then this is just another tool that politicians who are in a significant minority can use.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Yeah. And castration is not ending your sex life - its only modifying it. Even though you will not be able to cut the mustard, you can still lick the jar.

    I honestly have seen not one iota of evidence in your posts that you even understand what collective bargaining is and I had my doubts that you knew how arbitration and mediation work in a labor dispute. And since you equate reform of both with ending collective bargaining its now crystal clear beyond any doubt that you don't.

    Reading the posts of right wingers here who want to discuss the details of labor unions is like reading the accounts of a eunuch in a brothel.
    Interesting
    This boils down to a union / no unions debate..
    Also, who rules ?
    A vocal minority or a voting majority ?
    Before any of this can have a value, we need campaign reform (no more buying of elections)
    We also need to have the truth told.
    Right now, its a "he said, she said" thing.
    I believe and trust no-one now !
    But one thing I do believe.
    The GOP has sold what ever little soul it had to the wealthy and their "trickle down economics". (meaning that the wealthy get 99% and all the others get 1%)....
    I think the protesters of Wisconsin know this much better than the voting sheeple.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    As long as it is legal.




    Is there a rule in their job description that says they can't stop a quorum by refusing to show up to vote? Their primary duty is to support and enact laws that their voters want and to oppose and prevent laws their voters do not want. Until Wisconsin changes this,then this is just another tool that politicians who are in a significant minority can use.
    The question is, do the politicians do the right thing or do they obey their constituents ? Traditionally the politicians have done a balancing thing between doing the right thing and doing as told by the ones who voted them in.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thinking about this. I guess I now agree with those who say that sometimes the right thing is more important than democracy. At least for some things.
    An improper perspective I'd observe. The decision should not be viewed against the definition of democracy (a poor standard to choose) it MUST be viewed in respect for the Rule of Law in a memberstate of a constitutional republic. Doing so, you then accept ALL responsibility for the consequences of your actions and/or lack thereof. If your standard were to be accepted we would have anarchy. Democracy doesn't mean what you appear to think it does as it's a 'general' reference term. Every body doing whatever they want, because they believe it's their right as a free person. In a free society that demands order for it's survival and success, no one individual can set themseves above the The Rule of Law.

    When and if you fight for principle you take the first step by taking a stand. You stand your ground and do what you feel is right regardless of and accepting full well the consequences.

    You do NOT run away across state lines and take refuge in some outlying motel like some cockroach scurrying away from the light of day. These clowns define politicians as a comparative to statesmen. Every single one of them has the mark of a Violator of The Public Trust as if it were branded on their foreheads. It would prove interesting to check out what their fate was in the next elections to be held.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    The question is, do the politicians do the right thing or do they obey their constituents ? Traditionally the politicians have done a balancing thing between doing the right thing and doing as told by the ones who voted them in.
    By using using any legally available tool they have to support and enact legislation their voters support and opposing and preventing legislation their voters do not want, they are doing the right thing. The democrats are doing the right by protecting the interests of their voters by preventing anti-union legislation though what ever legal means they can and the republicans are doing the right thing by protecting the interests of their voters by trying to enact anti-union legislation by using what ever legal means they can use. It would be immoral for them not to use any legally available means to protect their voter's interests.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 02-26-11 at 12:40 PM.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    But one thing I do believe.
    The GOP has sold what ever little soul it had to the wealthy and their "trickle down economics". (meaning that the wealthy get 99% and all the others get 1%)....
    I think the protesters of Wisconsin know this much better than the voting sheeple.
    What a foolish assertion to make. I challenge you to justify it and back it up with FACTS.

    And another...
    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    I see that the conservative spammers did their usual mindless "voting" here.
    I vote yes, they are still doing their jobs, rather effectively, I might add.
    So..., those who are of different opinion than you wormy are defined as "spammers" and sluffed off as not entitled to have a vote. How very altruistic of you. When is your next Bund meeting scheduled?
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    By using using any legally available tool they have to support and enact legislation their voters support and opposing and preventing legislation their voters do not want, they are doing the right thing. The democrats are doing the right by protecting the interests of their voters by preventing anti-union legislation though what ever legal means they can and the republicans are doing the right thing by protecting the interests of their voters by trying to enact anti-union legislation by using what ever legal means they can use. It would be immoral for them not to use any legally available means to protect their voter's interests.
    Thus, we end up with a stand-off.
    I can see the two sides of this argument, I think...
    Apparently, the GOP conservatives wish to scratch or reform the unions, not eliminate them (according to their statements).
    The protesters do not trust the conservatives...
    If both sides were to try honesty and fairness........that would be innovative....that I'll never live long enough to witness...

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by doctorhugo View Post
    What a foolish assertion to make. I challenge you to justify it and back it up with FACTS.

    And another...So..., those who are of different opinion than you wormy are defined as "spammers" and sluffed off as not entitled to have a vote. How very altruistic of you. When is your next Bund meeting scheduled?
    The current score is 16 votes for 'Yes', 27 votes for 'No'. Given the very regular spamming of the polls here, I think we can discount the anonymous voters.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Is there a rule in their job description that says they can't stop a quorum by refusing to show up to vote? Their primary duty is to support and enact laws that their voters want and to oppose and prevent laws their voters do not want. Until Wisconsin changes this,then this is just another tool that politicians who are in a significant minority can use.
    according to that oath you cited, their job is to discharge the duties of their office. that means showing up and voting.

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