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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, the soveriegn is the people as a body. and the wisconsin people as a body turned them out and put republicans in specifically to take the kind of steps that he is last election. and they are specifically and explicitely not at work.
    Sorry cp, but that is definitively incorrect. This nation, as each state, is a representative democracy and the form is a constitutional republic, which also holds true for the "several states". The people as a group are NEITHER the national NOR the state sovereign. The people's elected state representatives are the ones with the majority of ruling power (or so was the "original intent"), because they make The Rule of Law, not controlled by the national government as per constitutional edict and the elected Governors/President appoints officers of those governmental bodies to duty. In our constitutional republic the sovereign is shared power to protect the people. It is so, ONLY because of the Constitution. In the minutia of detail this constitutional republic is unique.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    he'd not ending them. he's modifying them.



    actually yes it is.
    True. It's the imposing of 'alternatives' to the collective bargaining that defines the "private" sector and it will be the sole option for public employees OR they'll lose their unions. That's my prediction anyway. Change is in the air already and the momentum of anger is building.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Again, as you yourself said:

    "The Wisconsin legislature cannot filibuster; it's against procedural rules."

    That makes all analogies to the Federal congress pointless.


    Out of curiosity, if a Wisconsin Democrat majority was trying push through a bill to fully fund all organizations that perform abortions, what would you have wanted your elected representatives to do?
    Vote against it and make an issue of it in the next legislative elections...
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Vote against it and make an issue of it in the next legislative elections...
    The only 'reasonable' option. Playing the game by the rules.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Because no one in their right mind would vote for it.
    Now you have a medical degree in psychiatry?

    If you look at any of the 528 threads here on Wisconsin, you will quickly see that there are lots of supporters of the Senators who have left to protect the rights of working people in their state. That is a heroic act and deserves to be praised.

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    The only 'reasonable' option. Playing the game by the rules.
    That is exactly what they are doing. The Senators have employed the rules - to the letter - to defend the working people of Wisconsin.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    The Senators have employed the rules - to the letter - to defend the working people of Wisconsin.
    I disagree. They've taken their ball and their bat and gone home. They've said, "There's a delay of game penalty for 12 men on the field. Let's keep twelve men on the field." They've said, "The OJ trial can't happen without a judge. Judges! Stay home!" It's dishonest. It's a subversion of the democratic process. They are whiney little girls who are probably being promised extra campaign cash by the union to pull this stunt. They are cowards.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I disagree. They've taken their ball and their bat and gone home. They've said, "There's a delay of game penalty for 12 men on the field. Let's keep twelve men on the field." They've said, "The OJ trial can't happen without a judge. Judges! Stay home!" It's dishonest. It's a subversion of the democratic process. They are whiney little girls who are probably being promised extra campaign cash by the union to pull this stunt. They are cowards.
    Thinking about this. I guess I now agree with those who say that sometimes the right thing is more important than democracy. At least for some things.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Thinking about this. I guess I now agree with those who say that sometimes the right thing is more important than democracy. At least for some things.
    Really. Well, I guess it depends on what side of the issue one stands. Not very different from the freedom fighter/terrorist thingie.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Really. Well, I guess it depends on what side of the issue one stands. Not very different from the freedom fighter/terrorist thingie.
    Maybe so. I see this as a constitutional issue myself and a part of the first amendment rights.

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