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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where is the proof that Walker promised to take the exact Draconian steps with unions that he is now attempting to employ should he get the approval of the Wisconsin legislature? Your post and link failed to provide that.
    "the exact Draconian steps" ??? You must be delusional! You're hopeless and constantly falling back towards the pit of doom after each post encounter and saying nobody told me exactly where the pit was. Get real! The governor has the ultimate responsibility to act in the "people's best interest" as a matter of public trust. When he has to order demonRATic politicians to come back and do what they were elected to do and they thumb their noses at him, the electorate gets might pissed-off. This entirely selfish action by this public sector union, not subject to the same standards in law as private sector unions is nothing more than public relations bullying tactics against their employer, the taxpayers. Their employee, unbeknowncest to you apparently, has understood this and had his fill of it. They know that they will be making economic sacrifices, because of bad policy by politicians and see these teachers a sbeing too selfish to comprehend or worse, even care. What you are seeing now will be the start of, and I've said this before, a groundswell by the states to ban forevermore public sector unions. It will start with only one state and then catch on and build and the more that out-of-state union members travel to other states to lend support and encourage bad behavior the more the folks in that state wil throw up their arms in disgust with public sector unions. Too bad, because they should have representation, but they fail to understand their place and shall pay a dear price for that.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Sorry Maggie but this time you are really off the deep end.

    here is what you badly want to prove

    1- the people of Wisconsin support Walker because he told them what he was going to do and now he is doing it
    2- everybody is getting what they voted for so its all fair and just

    that is the point you and the other righties here want so badly to make.

    But you fall very very short of even coming close to doing this.

    Walker NEVER told the voters that he was going to end collective bargaining rights for public employees.

    Mediation reform IS NOT ending collective bargaining.

    Arbitration reform IS NOT ending collective bargaining.

    This is this. This is not something else. This is this.

    Keep trying if you got something new. If not, please throw in the towel and just give up trying to tell us that Walker told the voters when he clearly did not.

    You really are better than that Maggie.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Sorry Maggie but this time you are really off the deep end.

    here is what you badly want to prove

    1- the people of Wisconsin support Walker because he told them what he was going to do and now he is doing it
    2- everybody is getting what they voted for so its all fair and just

    that is the point you and the other righties here want so badly to make.

    But you fall very very short of even coming close to doing this.

    Walker NEVER told the voters that he was going to end collective bargaining rights for public employees.

    Mediation reform IS NOT ending collective bargaining.

    Arbitration reform IS NOT ending collective bargaining.

    This is this. This is not something else. This is this.

    Keep trying if you got something new. If not, please throw in the towel and just give up trying to tell us that Walker told the voters when he clearly did not.

    You really are better than that Maggie.
    Yes, dear. I'm getting sick of you personalizing this, Haymarket. I'm through arguing on this point. Feel free to take your victory...because it isn't.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Walker NEVER told the voters that he was going to end collective bargaining rights for public employees.
    he'd not ending them. he's modifying them.

    Mediation reform IS NOT ending collective bargaining.

    Arbitration reform IS NOT ending collective bargaining.
    actually yes it is.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    I believe they are now required to come to the Capital to pick up there pay. I think there needs to be a Law that allows a simple majority to remove them from office for failing to live up to their Oath of office which I believe they are violating.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I believe they are now required to come to the Capital to pick up there pay. I think there needs to be a Law that allows a simple majority to remove them from office for failing to live up to their Oath of office which I believe they are violating.
    The job of any politician is to oppose and prevent legislation that their constituents oppose and support and enact legislation that their voters support. How exactly are they violating their oath of office?

    GAB-154 Official Oath | Government Accountability Board
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    STATE OF WISCONSIN, _________)
    _____________________________) ss
    ______________________ County )


    I, ______________________________________________, having been elected or appointed to

    the office of __________________________________________________ _________________
    (title)
    swear (or affirm) that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of
    the State of Wisconsin, and will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of said office to
    the best of my ability.

    So help me God.


    _______________________________________
    (Signature of elected or appointed official)
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    he'd not ending them. he's modifying them.



    actually yes it is.
    Yeah. And castration is not ending your sex life - its only modifying it. Even though you will not be able to cut the mustard, you can still lick the jar.

    I honestly have seen not one iota of evidence in your posts that you even understand what collective bargaining is and I had my doubts that you knew how arbitration and mediation work in a labor dispute. And since you equate reform of both with ending collective bargaining its now crystal clear beyond any doubt that you don't.

    Reading the posts of right wingers here who want to discuss the details of labor unions is like reading the accounts of a eunuch in a brothel.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    I believe they are now required to come to the Capital to pick up there pay. I think there needs to be a Law that allows a simple majority to remove them from office for failing to live up to their Oath of office which I believe they are violating.
    I was under the impression they signed up for direct deposit in a bank just like any other state employee can do.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Why is it that there is no category as follows

    They should be paid, get a bonus and a medal for Heroism
    Because no one in their right mind would vote for it.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The job of any politician is to oppose and prevent legislation that their constituents oppose and support and enact legislation that their voters support
    by any means necessary?

    How exactly are they violating their oath of office?
    well let's see:

    GAB-154 Official Oath | Government Accountability Board
    Official Oath

    STATE OF WISCONSIN, _________)
    _____________________________) ss
    ______________________ County )


    I, ______________________________________________, having been elected or appointed to

    the office of __________________________________________________ _________________
    (title)
    swear (or affirm) that I will support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of
    the State of Wisconsin, and will faithfully and impartially discharge the duties of said office to
    the best of my ability.

    So help me God.


    _______________________________________
    (Signature of elected or appointed official)
    seems like they're not exactly performing their duties of said office by refusing to show up to the office .

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