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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, the soveriegn is the people as a body. and the wisconsin people as a body turned them out and put republicans in specifically to take the kind of steps that he is last election. and they are specifically and explicitely not at work.
    some of the Wisconsin people may have done this if you can show proof that this is what Walker clearly stated he would do if he won the election. At least then we would know that at least a minority of people in Wisconsin knew what they were voting for.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

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    some of the Wisconsin people may have done this if you can show proof that this is what Walker clearly stated he would do if he won the election. At least then we would know that at least a minority of people in Wisconsin knew what they were voting for.
    As part of his campaign platform, Walker proposed cutting state employee wages and benefits and rolling back 2009 state tax increases on small businesses, capital gains, and income for top earners. Critics said that Walker's proposals would only help the wealthy and that cutting the salaries of public employees would adversely affect state services.[26][27][28] Supporters said that tax cuts for businesses would reduce the cost of labor, which would ultimately promote consumer demand and more job growth.[29] As a candidate, Walker indicated he would refuse an $810 million dollar award from the federal Department of Transportation to build a high speed railroad line from Madison to Milwaukee because he believed it would cost the state $7.5 million per year to operate and would not be profitable.[30] The award was later rescinded and split among other states.[31]
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Where is the proof that Walker promised to take the exact Draconian steps with unions that he is now attempting to employ should he get the approval of the Wisconsin legislature? Your post and link failed to provide that.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Where is the proof that Walker promised to take the exact Draconian steps with unions that he is now attempting to employ should he get the approval of the Wisconsin legislature? Your post and link failed to provide that.
    If you can't read, I can't help you. He's doing EGZAKLY as promised. If you want more information about Governor Walker and what he promised than this link povides, look it up yourself.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you can't read, I can't help you. He's doing EGZAKLY as promised. If you want more information about Governor Walker and what he promised than this link povides, look it up yourself.
    I did read it Maggie.

    I saw NOTHING in which he promised to take the Draconian steps that he is now doing. But please, prove me wrong by reproducing his exact campaign promises of how he was going to take away the right of unions to engage in collective bargaining as they now have the power to do.

    Please.

    check this for proof

    http://markpocanwi.blogspot.com/2011...-ten-lies.html

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    If you can't read, I can't help you. He's doing EGZAKLY as promised. If you want more information about Governor Walker and what he promised than this link povides, look it up yourself.
    This is the only thing I found concerning state workers at the link "...Walker proposed cutting state employee wages and benefits..." And the state employees agreed via their unions. Nothing in there about unions at all and now he wants to emasculate the unions. I guess I too don't know how to read. Can you teach us?

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I did read it Maggie.

    I saw NOTHING in which he promised to take the Draconian steps that he is now doing. But please, prove me wrong by reproducing his exact campaign promises of how he was going to take away the right of unions to engage in collective bargaining as they now have the power to do.

    Please.

    check this for proof

    Wisconsin State Representative Mark Pocan: Scott Walker's Top Ten Lies

    Why is it so vital for you to invent, to create, to manufacture a position that he did not take in the campaign?
    Unbelievable. Can't you spell Scott Walker? Google his name and get his platform on education...here's part of it:

    The Qualified Economic Offer (QEO), which helped hold down local school costs for more than 15 years, will be restored and tied to revenue caps to align each district’s expenses with their revenues. Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts. And we can save more than $68 million per year by allowing school districts to enroll in the state health care plan.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Maggie - now you are a woman of intelligence and integrity. I respect you. really now - read this

    The Qualified Economic Offer (QEO), which helped hold down local school costs for more than 15 years, will be restored and tied to revenue caps to align each district’s expenses with their revenues. Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts. And we can save more than $68 million per year by allowing school districts to enroll in the state health care plan.


    That says NOTHING about destroying collective bargaining rights.

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    Please now... its getting sad to watch you try to come up with something that does not exist. Why is it so important for you to try to pretend that Walker told people he was going to do this when he never did tell he people of Wisconsin during the campaign that he was going to do this? WHY?
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, the soveriegn is the people as a body. and the wisconsin people as a body turned them out and put republicans in specifically to take the kind of steps that he is last election. and they are specifically and explicitely not at work.
    I think you made 2 technical errors.
    1) They were not turned out, the Dems are still senators.
    2) The sovereign is the people of the district from which they were elected.
    Again, they are doing what they were elected to do.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Maggie - now you are a woman of intelligence and integrity. I respect you. really now - read this

    That says NOTHING about destroying collective bargaining rights.

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    Please now... its getting sad to watch you try to come up with something that does not exist. Why is it so important for you to try to pretend that Walker told people he was going to do this when he never did tell he people of Wisconsin during the campaign that he was going to do this? WHY?
    Okay, now you're just trying to drive me crazy. What is it that you don't understand about this:

    Mediation and arbitration changes will also be needed to ensure that local economic factors are considered along with other common sense factors when arbitrating teacher contracts.
    Really, Haymarket, there is something wrong with you. Mediation Changes/Arbitration Changes = Bargaining. He's changing 'em. He's asked that teachers be put on the same level as all Federal employees in that they will no longer be able to collective bargain their salaries. He is leaving them one leg up on all Federal employees in that they will be able to bargain their benefits.

    I thought you were at least capable of fair thought. In this matter, on this subject, I was wrong. You are not. As a former teacher collecting a public pension, as a former union stewart, as a current potential double dipper in your job with the state legislature, you are incapable of fair thought. You can't even read when something is put in front of your face.
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