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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    So if a Democrat majority was pushing through a law to fully fund all organizations performing abortions you'd be cool with it?* Nope, sorry, not buying it.
    I don't care what you buy. And, no!!! I wouldn't be for it!!! I wasn't "for" a great deal of what our Democratic Congress pushed down our throats in the last two years. But I can assure you that had my representatives run to Canada I would have thought they were nutz. If you can't be fair....if the only way you think is down party lines....if you can't even comprehend that others have a sense of fairness and ethics...too bad for you. And if too many people in country continue to think that way, well, too bad for all of us.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't care what you buy. And, no!!! I wouldn't be for it!!! I wasn't "for" a great deal of what our Democratic Congress pushed down our throats in the last two years. But I can assure you that had my representatives run to Canada I would have thought they were nutz. If you can't be fair....if the only way you think is down party lines....if you can't even comprehend that others have a sense of fairness and ethics...too bad for you. And if too many people in country continue to think that way, well, too bad for all of us.
    Again, as you yourself said:

    "The Wisconsin legislature cannot filibuster; it's against procedural rules."

    That makes all analogies to the Federal congress pointless.


    Out of curiosity, if a Wisconsin Democrat majority was trying push through a bill to fully fund all organizations that perform abortions, what would you have wanted your elected representatives to do?
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't care what you buy. And, no!!! I wouldn't be for it!!! I wasn't "for" a great deal of what our Democratic Congress pushed down our throats in the last two years. But I can assure you that had my representatives run to Canada I would have thought they were nutz. If you can't be fair....if the only way you think is down party lines....if you can't even comprehend that others have a sense of fairness and ethics...too bad for you. And if too many people in country continue to think that way, well, too bad for all of us.
    Sorry Maggie, your disingenuousness is reaching some height. Had you not been toeing the official Republican line on this 100%, perhaps we might believe your outrage. I've read quite a lot of your posts on various subjects claiming to be non-partisan, but never once deviating from the conservative line.

    If I'm wrong, please give us an example with link.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Sorry Maggie, your disingenuousness is reaching some height. Had you not been toeing the official Republican line on this 100%, perhaps we might believe your outrage. I've read quite a lot of your posts on various subjects claiming to be non-partisan, but never once deviating from the conservative line.

    If I'm wrong, please give us an example with link.
    I can give you an example with every single post I've made regarding universal healthcare. Go search yourself. I'm also ProAbortion, as you could easily see if you cared to search.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can give you an example with every single post I've made regarding universal healthcare. Go search yourself. I'm also ProAbortion, as you could easily see if you cared to search.
    You're confusing Andalublue with me, and as I already said I was only assuming you were against abortion (although it's rare to find someone who's "pro" abortion), and that if I was wrong you were perfectly free to replace that with an emotional hot button topic for you.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I can give you an example with every single post I've made regarding universal healthcare. Go search yourself. I'm also ProAbortion, as you could easily see if you cared to search.
    Okay, I'll concede you don't follow the most right-wing position on every issue. I was going to concede you are probably centrist on social issues, but then encountered this post:
    I've always thought that rape (if it's just rape) isn't such a horrible awful crime
    Anyway, I'm aware that this is off-topic, so I'd better restrict myself to this issue, on which your position does appear hard right. Perhaps you believe that any extra-congressional action to oppose the passage of the anti-union legislation is undemocratic. I would just point out that the most significant social changes have often been achieved through extra-parliamentary, often illegal actions. Civil rights for women, blacks and gay people and union rights for workers were originally achieved usuing methods that make the Wisconsin Dems action appear very, very mild.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    What rights are those?

    Be prepared to cite either the State or Federal Constitution to support your answer. (I heard rumour you are a retired teacher; if true you know the drill.)
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    and this

    United States ConstitutionMain article: United States Constitution
    While the United States Constitution's First Amendment identifies the rights to assemble and to petition the government, the text of the First Amendment does not make specific mention of a right to association. Nevertheless, the United States Supreme Court held in NAACP v. Alabama that the freedom of association is an essential part of the Freedom of Speech because, in many cases, people can engage in effective speech only when they join with others.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Are you saying that they are lying about agreeing to pay cuts and paying more for benefits?
    no, i am saying they are willing to give ground to suck us into an ambush. giving up temporary benefits matters little so long as you retain the power to pump them right back up in the long term. THAT"s what this is about; as much as it is a this-year budget question, it's a ten-years-from-hence budget question.

    You don't think future governors and unions would keep spending cuts?
    hell no. and history bears this out.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Again, as you yourself said:

    "The Wisconsin legislature cannot filibuster; it's against procedural rules."

    That makes all analogies to the Federal congress pointless.


    Out of curiosity, if a Wisconsin Democrat majority was trying push through a bill to fully fund all organizations that perform abortions, what would you have wanted your elected representatives to do?
    vote against them. fillibuster if they can.

    but even when they were passing Obamacare; we never called for Republicans to shut down the government over the issue.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That makes no logical sense whatever.
    of course it doesn't; that's the point. you don't actually save money by trading a small amount of savings today for losing a large amount tomorow.

    Union busting has always been an aim of the far right. It appears Walker is intent on using the economic crisis as an excuse to destroy the public sector unions
    and let us hope he succeeds. such anti-democratic forces are leeches on our system of free governance, and threaten the viability of our states and municipalities.

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