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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    The Wisconsin legislature cannot filibuster; it's against procedural rules. That's the reason they ran like little girls.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    This is a pretty douchey tactic. But the problem is that votes like these never actually get voted on by their merits. There's no discussion or debate. There is only sucking up to special interests (in this case business lobbies) and then a strict party vote. We will never know if this move is good or bad, only whether it is republican or democrat. And neither of those means "good".

    I do not approve of these stalling techniques, but I approve even less of the ugly party divides that make them necessary.

    Edit: Oh, and since we pay politicians while they're out campaigning, these folks should also be paid.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    certainly of course, of course, of course; and for the mere provision of your real name, birthdate, social security number, and some credit card information, i will mail you 15$. TaDa! i just gave you 15$!!!
    That makes no logical sense whatever.

    maintaining public sector unions leaves those unions with the ability to veto the people of the United States of America, an indenfensible state. maintaining collective bargaining for public sector unions simply continues to put them in a position where they can funnel public money via coerced contributions to friendly politicians into controling the political process. if Walker leaves that in place, he may have fixed this years' budget; but future governors (perhaps him) will face others created by the same ground conditions that he left unaltered.
    Union busting has always been an aim of the far right. It appears Walker is intent on using the economic crisis as an excuse to destroy the public sector unions. I'm delighted to see the Dems fighting the tyranny any way they can. "First they came for the trades unionists, and I didn't speak out because I was not a trades unionist...", how true even today.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    The Wisconsin legislature cannot filibuster; it's against procedural rules. That's the reason they ran like little girls.
    I think if the people you elected had behaved the same under similar circumstances you'd feel differently.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I think if the people you elected had behaved the same under similar circumstances you'd feel differently.
    No. See, that's the thing. If you, if I, can't be nonpartisan, we are skrood. I hated it when the Dems had a majority in Washington and shoved legislation down our throats, "just because they could." But nobody ran to Canada, and if they had, I can assure you that I would have been first in line to call for their resignations.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    That makes no logical sense whatever.

    Union busting has always been an aim of the far right. It appears Walker is intent on using the economic crisis as an excuse to destroy the public sector unions. I'm delighted to see the Dems fighting the tyranny any way they can. "First they came for the trades unionists, and I didn't speak out because I was not a trades unionist...", how true even today.
    I think you're wrong about Walker. If his main intent was to destroy public sector unions, and if others believed it, policemen and firemen would be coming out in droves...and we'd have an epidemic of blue flu going on right now.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think you're wrong about Walker. If his main intent was to destroy public sector unions, and if others believed it, policemen and firemen would be coming out in droves...and we'd have an epidemic of blue flu going on right now.
    um....i guess you didn't hear walker compare himself to reagan? "this is our moment"? do you think he meant balancing the budget? lol!

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think you're wrong about Walker. If his main intent was to destroy public sector unions, and if others believed it, policemen and firemen would be coming out in droves...and we'd have an epidemic of blue flu going on right now.
    Well, what do you believe the intent of ending free, collective bargaining is? If a union cannot negotiate on behalf of its members collectively, then it ceases to be a union. Unless, perhaps, you have a new definition of a trade union.
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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    No.
    So if a Democrat majority was pushing through a law to fully fund all organizations performing abortions you'd be cool with it?* Nope, sorry, not buying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    See, that's the thing. If you, if I, can't be nonpartisan, we are skrood. I hated it when the Dems had a majority in Washington and shoved legislation down our throats, "just because they could." But nobody ran to Canada, and if they had, I can assure you that I would have been first in line to call for their resignations.
    You just said that Wisconsin doesn't allow the kind of fillibustering that DC does. That makes that analogy useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Doesn't anybody get it? If we can't be fair, if we can't demand honesty from our politicians, no matter what their party, well, we deserve exactly what we get. And we won't even get a kiss with it.
    Where's the lack of honesty? The people who voted for their congressmen wanted a certain platform to be represented. The congressmen are defending the wishes of their voters. The tactic of "running away" may seem distasteful to you, but there's no dishonesty here.


    *I'm just assuming you're against abortion. If I'm wrong feel free to replace that with a strongly emotional topic for you.

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    Re: Should Wisconsin Democrats be paid while they hide out in Illinois?

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    um....i guess you didn't hear walker compare himself to reagan? "this is our moment"? do you think he meant balancing the budget? lol!
    I guess you forgot your guy's quote:

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