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    Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-compensated?

    However, the data indicates that state and local government employees in Wisconsin are not overpaid. Comparisons controlling for education, experience, organizational size, gender, race, ethnicity, citizenship, and disability reveal that employees of both state and local governments in Wisconsin earn less than comparable private sector employees. On an annual basis, full-time state and local government employees in Wisconsin are undercompensated by 8.2% compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. This compensation disadvantage is smaller but still significant when hours worked are factored in. Full-time public employees work fewer annual hours, particularly employees with bachelorís, masterís, and professional degrees (because many are teachers or university professors).
    When comparisons are made controlling for the difference in annual hours worked, full-time state and local government employees are undercompensated by 4.8%, compared with otherwise similar private sector workers. To summarize, our study shows that Wisconsin public employees earn 4.8% less in total compensation per hour than comparable full-time employees in Wisconsinís private sector.
    http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

    Page 5 of the study shows total compensation and defines it as pay as well as benefits and it still shows public employees coming up with less.

    However, comparisons of public vs private compensation does not address the philosophical feelings of people and how they feel that public employees should be compensated. What is your view?

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Are Wisconsin Public Employees Over-compensated?

    http://epi.3cdn.net/9e237c56096a8e4904_rkm6b9hn1.pdf

    Page 5 of the study shows total compensation and defines it as pay as well as benefits and it still shows public employees coming up with less.

    However, comparisons of public vs private compensation does not address the philosophical feelings of people and how they feel that public employees should be compensated. What is your view?
    I don't believe the source. The author is a professor active in public sector labor relations. His research is hardly unbiased. Paraphrasing him, he says there's just no way to find a comparable private sector job to compare. Yeah, well, I pretty much agree unless one looks to Catholic schools and other private schools. He says, nah, that won't work.

    How 'bout we let the market speak? It works for everything else. People are standing in line to be teachers. They have always been standing in line to be teachers. Anyone wonder why that is?
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't believe the source. The author is a professor active in public sector labor relations. His research is hardly unbiased. Paraphrasing him, he says there's just no way to find a comparable private sector job to compare. Yeah, well, I pretty much agree unless one looks to Catholic schools and other private schools. He says, nah, that won't work.

    How 'bout we let the market speak? It works for everything else. People are standing in line to be teachers. They have always been standing in line to be teachers. Anyone wonder why that is?
    The reason it couldn't directly be comparable was because of hours worked, which is valid and so is the normalization against that.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    The reason it couldn't directly be comparable was because of hours worked, which is valid and so is the normalization against that.
    Very easy to adjust for hours worked.

    What does, "And so is the normalization against that" mean?
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Very easy to adjust for hours worked.

    What does, "And so is the normalization against that" mean?
    basically what you said, adjustments to look at compensation per hour vs annual compensation.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    From MaggieD in rejecting facts which prove her wrong

    I don't believe the source.
    Like Paul Simon wrote in The Boxer..." a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest".

    It looks like that applies to a woman also.

    Interesting that you use the word BELIEVE. It has become painfully obvious that almost all of the anti-union rhetoric and anti-teacher vitriol being posted around here the last few days is not founded on objective facts or information but is simply a willfully adopted BELIEF that is accepted as one accepts religion.
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I don't believe the source. The author is a professor active in public sector labor relations. His research is hardly unbiased. Paraphrasing him, he says there's just no way to find a comparable private sector job to compare. Yeah, well, I pretty much agree unless one looks to Catholic schools and other private schools. He says, nah, that won't work.

    How 'bout we let the market speak? It works for everything else. People are standing in line to be teachers. They have always been standing in line to be teachers. Anyone wonder why that is?
    Huh? All I ever come across are claims that there are teacher shortages, never a teacher surplus.


    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/07/ed...07teacher.html

    Report Envisions Shortage of Teachers as Retirements Escalate


    The problem is aggravated by high attrition among rookie teachers, with one of every three new teachers leaving the profession within five years, a loss of talent that costs school districts millions in recruiting and training expenses, says the report, by the National Commission on Teaching and America’s Future, a nonprofit research advocacy group.

    “The traditional teaching career is collapsing at both ends,” the report says. “Beginners are being driven away” by low pay and frustrating working conditions, and “accomplished veterans who still have much to contribute are being separated from their schools by obsolete retirement systems” that encourage teachers to move from paycheck to pension when they are still in their mid-50s, the report says.

    To ease the exodus, the report says, policy makers should restructure schools and modify state retirement policies so that thousands of the best veteran teachers can stay on in the classroom to mentor inexperienced teachers. Reorganizing schools around what the report calls learning teams, a model already in place in some schools in Boston, could ease the strain on pension systems, raise student achievement and help young teachers survive their first, often traumatic years in the classroom, it says.
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    In a sense Maggie is right about the people standing in line for jobs.

    The jobs market is being manipulated to place society where some elites want it.
    Products are always in demand, there is no problem with the demand side of supply and demand.

    However in order to suppress the wage side of the story you must create a job shortage crisis.
    Also to suppress the wage side you must suppress the education side of the story.
    Less educated = less pay. More desperation to have a job = less demand for better wages. Just let me eat and sleep under some kind of roof and I'll do anything you want.
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Mega -- you just posted this poll and there are 51 yes votes. I've voted, so I can't see who's voted yes; but this just HAS to be wrong. How do you think this happens?

    Maybe a moderator could explain?
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Mega -- you just posted this poll and there are 51 yes votes. I've voted, so I can't see who's voted yes; but this just HAS to be wrong. How do you think this happens?

    Maybe a moderator could explain?
    Someone is jury rigging the poll

    You can look at "who voted" to get a more accurate picture.

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