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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you're quoting the Socialists at the EPI and their obviously pro-union and biased study? Why am I not surprised...
    Do you have anything to the contrary, because what the study finds seems common sense to me. If you have a college education you will make more money in the more competitive private sector. If you have less education you will make more in the public sector. That is common sense to me.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    So you're quoting the Socialists at the EPI and their obviously pro-union and biased study? Why am I not surprised...
    From what I can tell, this same finding has been more or less found to be true accross multiple studies.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Actually, they are under paid.

    As though a degree obviously makes you deserving of higher pay? A PhD in science is way more valuable than a PhD in Political Science or whatever other liberal arts are available for that. A degree in and of itself means nothing. It is the skills acquired along with the degree that are valuable.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    http://credo.stanford.edu/reports/MU...OICE_CREDO.pdf



    According to this study, on average they are worse.

    However, I agree that the more expensive private schools yield better results, but that won't have much of an affect on the general population. Teachers in the more expensive schools are usually paid better too.
    The differences that I have seen wear off by the time students enter high school. So is the many times more that we pay per student in public school worth it? Seems to me that it is not. Besides, I take these cohort studies with a grain of salt because there is no such thing as perfectly matched individuals. Not to say that the results are completely false, but they are only so valuable.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    This study shows pay by education and sector (figure 5), Federal employees are paid more than other sectors in all education group except for post-graduates, but private employees are better paid than state employees from "some college" onward. So, if Wisconsin is close to the average, its employee are not overpaid compared to the private sector.
    You're only looking at degrees in general and not what kind of degrees. I would expect that the private sector workers have degrees that are typically more valuable than in the public sector (math and science versus liberal arts respectively).

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Are the provided graphs also including non-wage benefits? That is a pretty big part of compensation that needs to be included.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    The differences that I have seen wear off by the time students enter high school. So is the many times more that we pay per student in public school worth it? Seems to me that it is not. Besides, I take these cohort studies with a grain of salt because there is no such thing as perfectly matched individuals. Not to say that the results are completely false, but they are only so valuable.
    If the differences wear off with time, then we should not have any concern about school performance at all. Also, if we have no real method of comparison, than there is no point in any discussion about school effectiveness either.

    If thats the case, than we should all have cheap and crappy schools, since good schooling won't do us any good. Private or public.

    Of course that is absurd (of course schools are important!) so yes, measuring effectiveness is important and results do matter, as we see in life and as you have confirmed in earlier posts implicit in your belief that private schools do better. If they do better, then that difference should be able to be measured. My personal view is that standardized tests don't reveal much though.
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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Actually, they are under paid.

    Showing the annual income is misleading. Teachers don't work nearly as many days as the private sector. July and August they get completely off and a school year is generally around 180 days.
    Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You're only looking at degrees in general and not what kind of degrees. I would expect that the private sector workers have degrees that are typically more valuable than in the public sector (math and science versus liberal arts respectively).
    Compare what a state or county or city engineer makes to what a private sector engineer makes. It is really not even close. Not to mention working in the private sector, as far as engineering goes at least, you get all the perks that you would NEVER get working for the government. A Christmas party at an extremely fancy restaurant, beer on Fridays, accepting gifts from clients, etc.

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    Re: Are Wisconsin public employees overcompensated?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If the differences wear off with time, then we should not have any concern about school performance at all.
    We should, because public schools cost so much money and allow for no school choice.

    Also, if we have no real method of comparison, than there is no point in any discussion about school effectiveness either.
    We can get rough comparisons, but that's as good as it gets.

    Of course that is absurd (of course schools are important!) so yes, measuring effectiveness is important and results do matter, as we see in life and as you have confirmed in earlier posts implicit in your belief that private schools do better. If they do better, then that difference should be able to be measured. My personal view is that standardized tests don't reveal much though.
    Not all things that exist can be measured.

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