View Poll Results: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

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  • It's too small! We need to expand govt healthcare, infrastructure and buying failing companies.

    3 8.82%
  • It is just about right. Govt provides essential services that for-profit companies can't.

    1 2.94%
  • It is too big. Reduce the deficit by reducing military and limiting entitlement eligibility.

    2 5.88%
  • It is TOO BIG!!! Entitlements to the states, reduce military, elim. Departments. Target: 25% GDP.

    14 41.18%
  • It is TOO BIG!!! Entitlements to the states, reduce military, elim. Departments. Target: 10% GDP.

    14 41.18%
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Thread: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Try leaves and old catalogs. Your clothes will be too valuable due to the rampant poverty.
    It's not 2 minutes post-economic collapse that a liberal is thinking entrepreneurially. I'd say that was exactly the hope!


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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    libs labor under the delusion that getting rid of unconstitutional nonsense means we want to completely reject all progress

    more government is hardly progress

    progress is more freedom and less dependence
    TD, some people are dependent and can't help it... Some people will never be independent and will always be cared for because they are mentally or physically incapable of doing it. Independence and freedom are not the same... Freedom isn't really even a relative measurement when asking the question should people have enough food to eat, and should mentally and psychically handicapped adults and children living in nursing homes have some quality of life?

    I am all for reducing government and spending. However, society and individuals should care about those people... and not expect them to be independent. The government shouldn't be forcing us to care, in fact, it's obvious the government can't force us to care. It's also obvious people don't care, because people like you always overlook the less advantaged and handicapped in these debates.

    It's not a government problem nor should it be a government solution. The problem of ignoring these people and brushing them under the rug is a personal problem people (like you) appear to suffer from. You have the ability to solve the problem, if you're willing to address it exists. We can do it personally, we can do it as a community, and we can do it without the federal government... but one thing it will require is individuals to stop looking at every opportunity and every unit of work as a measurement of personal profitability.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Oh the we must care for the people that can't help themselves argument.

    It is not a human responsibility to take care of each other, It is not societies, nor is it the governments. Its the peoples responsibility to take care of themselves.

    and SheWolf, not to burst your bubble but life is about profit.
    Last edited by Henrin; 02-21-11 at 06:58 PM.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    You are aware without all that spending the people of this nation would be third worlders?
    It would certainly have that effect on people who don't work.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    TD, some people are dependent and can't help it... Some people will never be independent and will always be cared for because they are mentally or physically incapable of doing it. Independence and freedom are not the same... Freedom isn't really even a relative measurement when asking the question should people have enough food to eat, and should mentally and psychically handicapped adults and children living in nursing homes have some quality of life?

    I am all for reducing government and spending. However, society and individuals should care about those people... and not expect them to be independent. The government shouldn't be forcing us to care, in fact, it's obvious the government can't force us to care. It's also obvious people don't care, because people like you always overlook the less advantaged and handicapped in these debates.

    It's not a government problem nor should it be a government solution. The problem of ignoring these people and brushing them under the rug is a personal problem people (like you) appear to suffer from. You have the ability to solve the problem, if you're willing to address it exists. We can do it personally, we can do it as a community, and we can do it without the federal government... but one thing it will require is individuals to stop looking at every opportunity and every unit of work as a measurement of personal profitability.
    Well said. However, I do feel there is a role to be played by government, just not the federal government. The problem is that in that absence of government assistance, there are inconsistent results in caring for the poor, the sick, the elderly.

    I think that different levels of government have different responsibilities.

    The federal government has responsibilities:
    • interstate commerce and finance
    • foreign policy and diplomacy
    • military
    • regulatory agencies for
      • air travel
      • food and drug safety
      • serious emergency assistance to local agencies for things like hurricanes, epidemics, forest fire, floods, etc
    • R&D funding for economic development and growth
    • educational testing standards and federal student loans
    • NOAA weather and meteorology
    • Coast Guard
    • State and local debt assistance - the Fed is the only one who can print money (inflationary activity, not all bad) and run a deficit/debt with loans to other countries.
    • ...

    The thing you may notice is that none of these items is local in nature.

    The state government has responsibilities:
    • highways, roads, bridges, rail, local waterways, transportation networks
    • land development
    • communications
    • licensing and identification
    • disaster response - the primary responsible party
    • state police
    • prisons
    • educational facilities - State Universities, Comm Colleges, ...
    • entitlement assistance to the local authorities
    • ...


    The city/county/municipality local government has responsibilities:
    • education
    • police
    • healthcare
    • welfare
    • elderly care
    • ...


    I think of the funding at the local level to help the poor, the sick and the elderly as a COMMUNITY TAX. We must take care of our community.

    If we could shift the responsibility and funding to fit this pattern, taxes may well go up. But the Fed books may balance, and waste may be better addressed with local control of entitlements. The fed has overreached authority since the Civil War, and especially post-WW II.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    TD, some people are dependent and can't help it... Some people will never be independent and will always be cared for because they are mentally or physically incapable of doing it.
    Yes. Although is this really the biggest part of the burden?

    How many severely disabled, and what percentage of the federal budget goes to help them? Also, why does it have to be government, why can't we do this with the same human energy and capital, but without funneling it through politicians? Let's put it this way, if it's really the serverly disabled (not simply old age) and orphans that are creating our massive budget defecit and unfunded SS liability, etc.,etc., I can be swayed. I'm skeptical that it is.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by dadrone View Post
    It would certainly have that effect on people who don't work.
    Yes and no. Did you know that in most third world countries the differences between those who work and don't is not very big? I have been to india and the majority of workers are desperate for money. They don't have enough to feed their families and pay for rent, etc. So yeah going back to the 18th century that many libs want is not a good thing for all of us.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Henrin View Post
    Oh the we must care for the people that can't help themselves argument.

    It is not a human responsibility to take care of each other, It is not societies, nor is it the governments. Its the peoples responsibility to take care of themselves.

    and SheWolf, not to burst your bubble but life is about profit.
    You obviously have no compassion for the weak and helpless, so nothing compassionate (feeling) people can say will make you change your mind.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    So your solution is to send us from the 21st century to the 18th century. Great! I am looking forward to wiping my ass with my shirt instead of toilet paper.
    You think it is laws and regulations that brought us the prosperity that we have today? You realize that many of the laws and programs that we live with today were around during Roman times, right? Yet we're not at Roman living conditions. It is production that has brought us our prosperity, not the work of a group of thieves.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    TD, some people are dependent and can't help it... Some people will never be independent and will always be cared for because they are mentally or physically incapable of doing it. Independence and freedom are not the same... Freedom isn't really even a relative measurement when asking the question should people have enough food to eat, and should mentally and psychically handicapped adults and children living in nursing homes have some quality of life?

    I am all for reducing government and spending. However, society and individuals should care about those people... and not expect them to be independent. The government shouldn't be forcing us to care, in fact, it's obvious the government can't force us to care. It's also obvious people don't care, because people like you always overlook the less advantaged and handicapped in these debates.

    It's not a government problem nor should it be a government solution. The problem of ignoring these people and brushing them under the rug is a personal problem people (like you) appear to suffer from. You have the ability to solve the problem, if you're willing to address it exists. We can do it personally, we can do it as a community, and we can do it without the federal government... but one thing it will require is individuals to stop looking at every opportunity and every unit of work as a measurement of personal profitability.
    Society and individuals should care about those people, but far be it from us to force it upon them.

    I have to ask, where was the mass of starving people during the 1800s that apparently we would have today if we got rid of all of our social safety nets? Where were they? We didn't have these programs back then yet we didn't see mass starvation. Why apparently do we need it now?
    Last edited by phattonez; 02-23-11 at 11:04 AM.

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