View Poll Results: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

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  • It's too small! We need to expand govt healthcare, infrastructure and buying failing companies.

    3 8.82%
  • It is just about right. Govt provides essential services that for-profit companies can't.

    1 2.94%
  • It is too big. Reduce the deficit by reducing military and limiting entitlement eligibility.

    2 5.88%
  • It is TOO BIG!!! Entitlements to the states, reduce military, elim. Departments. Target: 25% GDP.

    14 41.18%
  • It is TOO BIG!!! Entitlements to the states, reduce military, elim. Departments. Target: 10% GDP.

    14 41.18%
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    It may be, but it is also called symbiosis:



    I don't think it is symbiotic, as the private economy may very well be able to survive without the gov't, but the gov't cannot survive without the private economy. Otherwise it is parasitism:



    I think the jury is still out whether it is symbiosis or parasitism. Certainly in the case of the Roman Empire it was parasitism - the host did not survive.
    Depends on the society. In our case I would say that symbiosis MAY fit better than coevolution. Both government and private economy can survive without the other, but in VERY different forms.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    I noticed you got this from an extremely partisan site. I did a bit of research and your numbers appear to be very off. For instance, government spending went down and tax revenue went up during the Clinton Administration:



    And the percentages are not even close either. My chart comes from the House.gov, yours comes from some site that has Tea Party links.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I noticed you got this from an extremely partisan site. I did a bit of research and your numbers appear to be very off. For instance, government spending went down and tax revenue went up during the Clinton Administration:



    And the percentages are not even close either. My chart comes from the House.gov, yours comes from some site that has Tea Party links.
    "extremely partisan website"? proof? Tea Party links? Does that make it partisan? Does it make their numbers invalid? Of course, charts don't really show the numbers. We'd have to go here: US Budget Breakdown for FY12 - Charts

    Note that they are combining Fed, Fed transfer - whatever the hell that is (SSN stealing?), State and Local spending.

    GDP '11 = $15,079.6 Billion
    Fed Spending = $3,818.8 Billion = 25% of GDP
    Fed Transfer = -$664.2 Billion = -4.4% of GDP
    State Spending = $1,490.3 Billion = 10% of GDP
    Local Spending = $1,870.4 Billion = 12.4% of GDP
    Total Gov Spending = $6,515.4 Billion = 43.2% of GDP

    EDIT: So i mislabeled the poll as federal spending when the graph I showed was combined government spending.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Let us look at the REAL problem....

    Here is a chart of Government Spending as a percent of GDP, since 1900, with Healthcare and Welfare split out. Notice that in 1900, Gov't Spending was less than 4% of GDP - in 2008 it exceeded 40%. I really don't care who was in office, the trend since the Great Depression is clear...due to the Great Deal etc, as well as just uncontrolled spending in general...around 13% in 1930...over 20% 3 years later...ignoring wars, over 30% around 1968...finally over 40% in 2008. 40% ****ing percent of our economy is Government Spending!!!

    Significant increases to Welfare and Healthcare since 1950. Note that this is a percent of GDP, which has exploded since 1950. So the percent of GDP in government spending has increased on top of a growing GDP.




    Here is the raw numbers for the growing costs of Pensions, Healthcare, Education and Welfare. All exploding since 1950.



    We are on the wrong track and breaking this country, which was founded on private economic activity. The government is adopting too many social programs, but even beyond that, is growing too large. And it is getting worse. Something must be done but the Congress, House and Senate, are getting ready to enter a bunch of bull**** rhetorical combat to cut the deficit and yet defend home programs. It all needs to be reduced. Even the Tea Partiers are not going far enough.
    How come there's not choice to increase military spending in the first choice? The poll is a joke set up to force conservatives to make false choices.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    "extremely partisan website"? proof? Tea Party links? Does that make it partisan? Does it make their numbers invalid? Of course, charts don't really show the numbers. We'd have to go here: US Budget Breakdown for FY12 - Charts

    Note that they are combining Fed, Fed transfer - whatever the hell that is (SSN stealing?), State and Local spending.

    GDP '11 = $15,079.6 Billion
    Fed Spending = $3,818.8 Billion = 25% of GDP
    Fed Transfer = -$664.2 Billion = -4.4% of GDP
    State Spending = $1,490.3 Billion = 10% of GDP
    Local Spending = $1,870.4 Billion = 12.4% of GDP
    Total Gov Spending = $6,515.4 Billion = 43.2% of GDP

    EDIT: So i mislabeled the poll as federal spending when the graph I showed was combined government spending.
    I don't mind the Tea Party link. Everyone is slightly partisan. But it did tip me off to check it out. Again, my numbers which come from the government don't match your numbers. I noticed the federal transfers and I am not sure of what they are either.

    But it appears that the actual spending % is much lower than what is on your charts. Sort of misleading, wouldn't you say?

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    How come there's not choice to increase military spending in the first choice? The poll is a joke set up to force conservatives to make false choices.
    Wait, you want to increase spending? I thought you guys were all cuts right now? Cut everything no matter what.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I don't mind the Tea Party link. Everyone is slightly partisan. But it did tip me off to check it out. Again, my numbers which come from the government don't match your numbers. I noticed the federal transfers and I am not sure of what they are either.

    But it appears that the actual spending % is much lower than what is on your charts. Sort of misleading, wouldn't you say?
    I don't really know the details of the numbers either. I am too lazy to check and REALLY burned out from following Mid-East protests, to commenting here, and trying to finish a very challenging work task I have been slamming for 3 weeks now - it is close to being done but I am so burned out I can't work on it.

    My gut suspicion is this. I don't ****ing trust any of these numbers, especially the government numbers. I think the House numbers are low because they are not counting the loan they get from Social Security.

    Let's consider your lower ~20% federal...still a significant portion of the economy and a MASSIVE increase from 100 years ago.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    The federal/national government is TOO DAMN BIG!!!
    The federal/national government should fit into the little box called the US Constitution.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Wait, you want to increase spending? I thought you guys were all cuts right now? Cut everything no matter what.
    First things that need cutting are all the unconstitutional **** that FDR and his ilk established, then we'll talk about cutting defense which happens to be the #1 job of the federal govt.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    My point is that even though Welfare, Healthcare, Pensions and Education has been growing as a strong clip since 1950, and that Defense has also grown much slower than that since 1917, the overall government has been growing as well, significantly. Overall, the FEDERAL government has grown from less than 4% in 1900 to around 18%-25% in 2011, of GDP. Not all of that growth is Entitlements or Defense. But still, I hear more than 60% is Entitlements and 25% is Defense, leaving 15% for everything else.

    Since State percentage is 12% and Local percentage is 10%, they have also grown since 1900.

    Everyone is in debt and spending HAS to be cut.

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