View Poll Results: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

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  • It's too small! We need to expand govt healthcare, infrastructure and buying failing companies.

    3 8.82%
  • It is just about right. Govt provides essential services that for-profit companies can't.

    1 2.94%
  • It is too big. Reduce the deficit by reducing military and limiting entitlement eligibility.

    2 5.88%
  • It is TOO BIG!!! Entitlements to the states, reduce military, elim. Departments. Target: 25% GDP.

    14 41.18%
  • It is TOO BIG!!! Entitlements to the states, reduce military, elim. Departments. Target: 10% GDP.

    14 41.18%
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If the government doesn't get smaller after 4 hours you have to see a doctor.
    tehehe spud made a funny

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Government jobs are still needed to keep the economy going. Later, when jobs stabilize, they can cut back.

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    Akin to saying parasites are needed to keep the host organism alive.......
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    Let us look at the REAL problem....

    Here is a chart of Government Spending as a percent of GDP, since 1900, with Healthcare and Welfare split out. Notice that in 1900, Gov't Spending was less than 4% of GDP - in 2008 it exceeded 40%. I really don't care who was in office, the trend since the Great Depression is clear...due to the Great Deal etc, as well as just uncontrolled spending in general...around 13% in 1930...over 20% 3 years later...ignoring wars, over 30% around 1968...finally over 40% in 2008. 40% ****ing percent of our economy is Government Spending!!!

    Significant increases to Welfare and Healthcare since 1950. Note that this is a percent of GDP, which has exploded since 1950. So the percent of GDP in government spending has increased on top of a growing GDP.




    Here is the raw numbers for the growing costs of Pensions, Healthcare, Education and Welfare. All exploding since 1950.



    We are on the wrong track and breaking this country, which was founded on private economic activity. The government is adopting too many social programs, but even beyond that, is growing too large. And it is getting worse. Something must be done but the Congress, House and Senate, are getting ready to enter a bunch of bull**** rhetorical combat to cut the deficit and yet defend home programs. It all needs to be reduced. Even the Tea Partiers are not going far enough.
    I couldn't find anywhere that answers this question:

    Are these numbers adjusted for inflation?

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Thanks to FDR raping the tenth amendment with the help of a bunch of cowardly jurists who ignored 130 years of precedent, we have idiots who believe "the general welfare clause" empowers congress to do whatever it wants and the commerce clause was designed to ban medical marijuana grown in your own city or that congress can ignore the second amendment



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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gray_Fox_86 View Post
    tehehe spud made a funny
    as funnies go, spud is the real potato

    he's clever even if he's a wombat



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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Sell Obama's unused--still in original wrapping--Budget scalpel.......trade in the Republican's Budget axe.......and send in the Tea Party with their budget chainsaws.

    The government was too big 70 years ago......and its been growing ever since.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Badmutha View Post
    Akin to saying parasites are needed to keep the host organism alive.......
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    Actually, in biology, this would be called coevolution. Both the parasite and the host could be essential for the other's survival.
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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcadius View Post
    I think Americans have let their government get out of their control. I don't think they answer to the people anymore.
    Congress is being run by lobbyists and big business now. The cost of running for office is way too high for Congressmen to raise enough money on their own, so they all have to make shady deals.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    I couldn't find anywhere that answers this question:

    Are these numbers adjusted for inflation?
    Dunno. I don't think it matters in the first graph as that is a percentage of GDP, year to year, not a dollar value that is susceptible to inflation. I don't think the second graph is so adjusted, but let's say inflation is 10% (???) year to year, the second graph would still show MASSIVE increases in expenditures for Pensions, Healthcare, Education and Welfare since 1950.

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    Re: Is the federal government too big and if so, what should we do?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, in biology, this would be called coevolution. Both the parasite and the host could be essential for the other's survival.
    It may be, but it is also called symbiosis:

    Symbiotic relationships include those associations in which one organism lives on another (ectosymbiosis, such as mistletoe), or where one partner lives inside the other (endosymbiosis, such as lactobacilli and other bacteria in humans or zooxanthelles in corals). Symbiotic relationships may be either obligate, i.e., necessary for the survival of at least one of the organisms involved, or facultative, where the relationship is beneficial but not essential for survival of the organisms.
    I don't think it is symbiotic, as the private economy may very well be able to survive without the gov't, but the gov't cannot survive without the private economy. Otherwise it is parasitism:

    The harm and benefit in parasitic interactions concern the biological fitness of the organisms involved. Parasites reduce host fitness in many ways, ranging from general or specialized pathology (such as parasitic castration), impairment of secondary sex characteristics, to the modification of host behaviour. Parasites increase their fitness by exploiting hosts for resources necessary for the parasite's survival: (i.e. food, water, heat, habitat, and dispersal).
    I think the jury is still out whether it is symbiosis or parasitism. Certainly in the case of the Roman Empire it was parasitism - the host did not survive.

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