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Thread: Who would you blame?

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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Blame? A shut down would not be the end of the world and will actually save money.
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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Both obviously. The situation would be that both sides are more interested in partisanship and getting their way than running the country properly.

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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Republicans have a chance to be reasonable, but, so far, that's not the option they're choosing.
    Maybe they are just following Obama's lead?

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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hugh_Akston View Post
    Assuming that the Republicans hold their ground, Obama vetoes their budget bill and the federal government "shuts down", who would you blame and why?
    More like who would I praise.

    The Fedgov "shutting down" is really a misnomer, it never does entirely. Certain functions are delayed or suspended until emergency spending measures are put in place. A Fedgov "shutdown" doesn't scare me, I don't depend on the Fedgov for my day-to-day living.

    We're in serious trouble. The new budget is, what, .40 cents on the dollar of DEBT? The cuts the Repubs are trying to make are really just a tiny nick on what we really need to do. Cut 61 billion? Well that's a start I suppose.... 61 Billion down, 900 billion to go to restore some sanity to the budget and maybe keep our economy from collapsing.

    Hand ME the "shears". You'll see some REAL cutting.

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    Re: Who would you blame?

    The federal government is like a family that has been living on their MasterCard for about ten years now, and find that the card is about maxed out. Now, they're arguing about whether to raise the limit, which is a silly argument because they know that they must raise the limit or simply quit paying the bills. Meanwhile, they are arguing about how best to cut their borrowing back to only half as much as they're borrowing now in another decade or so, and trimming a buck or two a month off of their spending, claiming that they're being fiscally responsible while ignoring the staggering debt that they're building up and will never be able to pay off.
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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    … A shut down would … will actually save money.
    False. While a government shutdown is definitely not the end of the world it doesn't save money either; indeed the costs are significant and wide ranging, both public and private. Historically, the 1995-1996 government shutdowns cost $800 million in losses for salaries paid to furloughed employees. But, there were other impacts too, then and now.


    Excerpted from “If Government Shutdown Occurs, Prepare For Much Collateral Damage” by FRANK JAMES, National Public Radio, February 18, 2011
    In 1995, for instance, it wasn't just government workers who took big hits, but tens of thousands of businesses somehow reliant on the government whether they knew it or not. And there were millions of Americans and foreigners as well who depend on government services like the provision of passports and visas.

    An important difference between now and then is that the economy was growing more strongly in terms of employment. If a shutdown happens now, it would be at a time when the economy is much less robust.

    “We saw in 1995 how politically motivated government shutdowns hit all Americans hard. In my State of Arizona, during the Government shutdown the Grand Canyon was closed for the first time in 76 years. I heard from people who worked close to the Grand Canyon. These were not Government employees. These were independent small business men and women. They told me that the shutdown cost them thousands of dollars because people could not go to the park. According to a CRS report, local communities near national parks alone lost an estimated $14.2 million per day in tourism revenues as a direct result of the Government shutdown, for a total of nearly $400 million over the course of the shutdown.

    “The cost of the last Government shutdown cannot be measured in just dollars and cents. During the 1995 shutdown, millions of Americans could not get crucial social services. For example, 10,000 new Medicare applications, 212,000 Social Security card requests, 360,000 individual office visits and 800,000 toll-free calls for information and assistance were turned away each day. There were even more delays in services for some of the most vulnerable in our society, including 13 million recipients of AFDC, 273,000 foster care children, over 100,000 children receiving adoption assistance services and over 100,000 Head Start children—not to mention the new patients that were not accepted into clinical research centers, the 7 million visitors who could not attend national parks, or the 2 million visitors turned away at museums and monuments. And the list goes on and on.

    “In addition, our Federal employees were left in fear wondering whether they would be paid, would they have to go to work, would they be able to pay their bills on time. In my State of Arizona, for example, of the 40,383 Federal employees, over 15,000 of them were furloughed in the 1995 Government shutdown.” — Senator John McCain¹

    See also: “What might a government shutdown look like?” By Ed O'Keefe, “Keeping Tabs on the Government” (blog), The Washington Post, Posted at 6:00 AM ET, 02/17/2011
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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Both. If the government shuts down it means that both sides refused to compromise enough and both wanted to win far more than they wanted to help the country.
    Exactly. This is a partisian pissing match between congress and the whitehouse, pure and simple. They might just as well just unzip, flop 'em out and grab a tape measure. This is all about wagging 'em, and whose is bigger.

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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Exactly. This is a partisian pissing match between congress and the whitehouse, pure and simple. They might just as well just unzip, flop 'em out and grab a tape measure. This is all about wagging 'em, and whose is bigger.
    LOL! Reminds me of my two grandsons (ages 6 and 10) arguing over who really needs the bigger cup for softball. It's about the same maturity level, too.
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    Re: Who would you blame?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Exactly. This is a partisian pissing match between congress and the whitehouse, pure and simple. They might just as well just unzip, flop 'em out and grab a tape measure. This is all about wagging 'em, and whose is bigger.
    Nancy Pelosi will probably win then.
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    Re: Who would you blame?

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    Nancy Pelosi will probably win then.
    She can't see though, so she is disqualified. She only sees the violent rhetoric coming from one side and not the other.
    Welfare (Food Stamps, WIC, etc...) are not entitlements. They are taxpayer funded handouts and shouldn't be called entitlements at all. Social Security and Veteran's benefits are 'Entitlements' because the people receiving them are entitled to them. They were earned and paid for by the recipients.

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