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US Border Policy With Mexico

Is it Ethnic Policy

  • Why Yes, Definitely!

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • more towards yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Somewhere in Betwen

    Votes: 2 16.7%
  • more towards no

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Absolutely not!

    Votes: 7 58.3%

  • Total voters
    12
  • Poll closed .
Nope, it's to try and keep Mexicans crossing the border illegally, regardless of ethnicity.
 
Nope, it's to try and keep Mexicans crossing the border illegally, regardless of ethnicity.

Cute.

Now would you say the average illegal is say...

The color of this mans shirt?

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Or the color of...

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This lovely pink rectangle?

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And thats a very big rectangle.
 
What's your point? That it's racist by sheer fact most Mexicans have dark skin?
 
What's your point? That it's racist by sheer fact most Mexicans have dark skin?

I heard some folks here say once that blacks are racist because they voted for Obama. By virtue that he's black. Unrelated however, back to the topic. It is not written racist, but could it be in implementation?
 
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I heard some folks here say once that blacks are racist because they voted for Obama. By virtue that he's black. Unrelated however, back to the topic. It is not written racist, but could it be in implementation?
Of course, but any law can be impemented in a discriminatory manner, it depends on who it is that's enforcing the law.

Pardon a slow edit, I'm finicky.
Yes, it's obviously an ethnic policy. Written implicitly to that purpose or not (irrelevant). It is, effectively.

So which ethnicity is it targeting? The Indigenous Mexicans, ones of European and Indigenous descent, just of European descent, black Mexicans, white Mexicans, purple Mexicans?
 
Does it qualify as ethnic policy?


:ssst:

So out of curiosity is the word "ethnic" replacing the word "race" in the whole illegal alien debate? (gotta try and keep up to date on the terms ya know...pro-illegals LOVE changing them every time they get a chance to)

Anyways there are multiple races that come here illegally. There is nothing in ANY law made and current that makes any sort of distinction between the various races that come here illegally. None. Notta. Zilch. Zip. ZERO. It doesn't matter what race you are...if you come here illegally then you are by defination an illegal and all laws pertaining to illegals pertain to the illegal in question. Doesn't matter if they are white, brown, black, yellow, pink, blue, purple polka dotted, green with yellow stripes or any other insane color you can come up with in regards to race.
 
So which ethnicity is it targeting? The Indigenous Mexicans, ones of European and Indigenous descent, just of European descent, black Mexicans, white Mexicans, purple Mexicans?

I never implied it targets anyone specifically in writing. Where'd you ever get that from?

Of course, but any law can be impemented in a discriminatory manner, it depends on who it is that's enforcing the law.

You still don't get it. Laws can be written 'not racist' and still be racist in effect.

What's your point? That it's racist by sheer fact most Mexicans have dark skin?

And you're racist if you can't prove what you said.

What a world.
 
So out of curiosity is the word "ethnic" replacing the word "race" in the whole illegal alien debate? (gotta try and keep up to date on the terms ya know...pro-illegals LOVE changing them every time they get a chance to)

Crap elsewhere please.

Anyways there are multiple races that come here illegally. There is nothing in ANY law made and current that makes any sort of distinction between the various races that come here illegally. None. Notta. Zilch. Zip. ZERO. It doesn't matter what race you are...if you come here illegally then you are by defination an illegal and all laws pertaining to illegals pertain to the illegal in question. Doesn't matter if they are white, brown, black, yellow, pink, blue, purple polka dotted, green with yellow stripes or any other insane color you can come up with in regards to race.

Theres a fence in a geographic location demographically affecting a particular race over others. You fail to see the point, you came into the thread with a dodge to the question. Don't answer if you don't want to actually debate.
 
I never implied it targets anyone specifically in writing. Where'd you ever get that from?

You said it's an etnic policy, so I just want to know which ethnicity it's targetting.

You still don't get it. Laws can be written 'not racist' and still be racist in effect.

So you're saying that because most of the violators of that law are of one minority, the law's racist? I'm not really seeing your logic here.

And you're racist if you can't prove what you said.

What a world.

Prove what?
 
You said it's an etnic policy, so I just want to know which ethnicity it's targetting.

You use the word, 'target'. Very harsh. You're into painting me into pc anti-racist hysterics, are you?

So you're saying that because most of the violators of that law are of one minority, the law's racist? I'm not really seeing your logic here.

You use the term 'minority'. Yet you referred to them as the majority of mexico. Make up your mind now. :)


Prove what?

That all mexicans are.... of the 'color' of topic.
 
If New Zealand were full of hybrid sheep people, and NZ and Australia were attached...
And they built a fence to keep out illegal peoples, which effectively kept out only sheep people, yet not in writing.

C'mon you can put it together.
 
You use the word, 'target'. Very harsh. You're into painting me into pc anti-racist hysterics, are you?
I'm sorry if my phrasing isn't to your liking, I'll try again. Which ethnicity would these laws effect?

You use the term 'minority'. Yet you referred to them as the majority of mexico. Make up your mind now. :)
Well when they're in America (and thus under Us law) they're a minority, which is what I was referring too, but againmy phrasing pertubes you, perhaps you can tell me how you would like me to phrase my responsesfrom now on.


That all mexicans are.... of the 'color' of topic.

Well,I used the term "dark" Which I used in the sense of "higher skin-melanin content than me", and here's a map that shows most of Mexico is infact darker than me. (I'd fall under the pale pink category)

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If New Zealand were full of hybrid sheep people, and NZ and Australia were attached...
And they built a fence to keep out illegal peoples, which effectively kept out only sheep people, yet not in writing.

C'mon you can put it together.

If Australia and NZ were joined, they'd have become another state in 1901, but that's not the point.

That analogy only works if sheep people were the only ones being kept out, and were being kept out because they were sheep people, which of course is untrue because A) not all of NZ is full of sheep people, and they're still not allowed to cross the border, and B) if 25% of immigrants are sheep people, over 5 times more than any other people, it's obvious that there's no concerted effort to keep sheep people out.
 
I'm sorry if my phrasing isn't to your liking, I'll try again. Which ethnicity would these laws effect?

The issue is with non-citizen 'mestizos'. A 'Casta', the remnants of a racial pedigree system enforced by the Spanish. The word is strikingly similar to Caste. (weird)

Also... did you know that there is a trend of colder climate and lighter skinned countries attacking darker ones over history?
 
Crap elsewhere please.

Hey man! I'm just trying to keep up with the terminology!

Theres a fence in a geographic location demographically affecting a particular race over others. You fail to see the point, you came into the thread with a dodge to the question. Don't answer if you don't want to actually debate.

Incedental. It wouldn't matter if Mexico was populated entirely by white people. That fence should/would still be there.

As far as me coming to the thread with a dodge...try again. I answered the question in the OP based upon the little information provided. Seriously...what did you expect when you only had ONE SHORT FREAKING LINE in the OP? How is ANYONE going to fully get what your topic is based on that?
 
The issue is with non-citizen 'mestizos'. A 'Casta', the remnants of a racial pedigree system enforced by the Spanish. The word is strikingly similar to Caste. (weird)

So do you think the issueis with the non-citizen but or the mestizo bit?I'm of the opinion that it's the former.
Also... did you know that there is a trend of colder climate and lighter skinned countries attacking darker ones over history?

Can you blame them? Would you rather live in Siberia or Vanuatu?

Though that maps actually pretty crap, because Australian Aborigines had a pretty uniform skin tone, regardless of distribution.
 
Ypu forgot that the fence was to mexico and you floated off on that somehow stopping illegal immigration isn't racist because there are illegals of all races. Last I checked it was mostly mestizo mexicans on the border to mexico. Hence a border to mexico affecting mostly mexicans of the mestizo race may effectively be ethnic policy, no moralistic strings attached in the argument. That's why it's short. Sorry for biting your head off.
 
So do you think the issueis with the non-citizen but or the mestizo bit? I'm of the opinion that it's the former.

Well considering that most illegals end up paying their relative share of taxes and their expense to society is arguably ambiguous... I'd say the issue is mixed. Delving into the issue will cause some terminological confusion.


Though that maps actually pretty crap, because Australian Aborigines had a pretty uniform skin tone, regardless of distribution.

Yes it's some sort-of computer generated estimate based on climate. I think its a nice visual though.
 
Ypu forgot that the fence was to mexico and you floated off on that somehow stopping illegal immigration isn't racist because there are illegals of all races. Last I checked it was mostly mestizo mexicans on the border to mexico. Hence a border to mexico affecting mostly mexicans of the mestizo race may effectively be ethnic policy, no moralistic strings attached in the argument. That's why it's short. Sorry for biting your head off.

Since you wish to try and make the whole illegal debate about Mestizo's....Remember...YOU are the one that made this thread about a particular race. Not I.

Here's a question for you...out of all the illegals that have come into the US in the last 20 years which race has the most illegals in this country? And what country did most of those illegals come to the US through?
 
Kudos to Spud_Meister and Kal'Stang, who actually get it. Boo to SE102 who hasn't got a freaking clue as to the problems illegal immigration has caused.
 
No, its not "ethnic" policy. The majority of illegal immigrants in our country are from locations south of the border, with the easiest method of entry being over said border. Regardless of ethnicity, when dealing with an issue of people entering a point illegally it is most efficient and intelligent to deal with the point that is having the most impact.

If 80% of our immigration issue seemed to be coming from north of the border instead, I'd be suggesting more focus on the northern border. If 80% of our immigraiton issue seemed to be coming from people from oversea's, I'd be suggesting more focus on international airport entry points.

However, it seems the majority of our immigration problem is coming from people crossing our southern border or coming from people coming into the country legally but overstaying their welcome. Its why I think those are the two areas to look at first and most substantially in regards to immigration policy, because fixing them would be realistically believed to have the best effect.
 
I know it's a race issue for a lot of people I know here in Ohio who are strongly anti-illegal immigration. But we're not a border state, and I think it's their opinions and reasons for having those opinions are less important that those who live on the border and have to deal with this stuff on a daily basis. I do think Republican policy on illegal immigration fails to address any of the core reasons why illegal immigration is a problem, and I find the amount of attention on "anchor babies" to be pretty ridiculous and race or politics related. I think the average person on the border is more concerned with keeping the ultra violent heavily armed drug gangs out of their backyards than the heavily exaggerated problem of anchor babies (or at least they should be).
 
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