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At this point, do you plan on voting for Obama in 2012?

At this point, do you plan on voting for Obama in 2012?

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Badmutha said:
At this point, do you plan on voting for Obama in 2012?
Yes 35.71%
No 64.29%

Jimmy Carter--Back-In-Black wont see a third term...........
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Not sure what you think that poll means. Aside from having a MoE of about 99 points, it has no meaning at all. For example, I voted "no" because I don't "plan" on any candidate this far out, especially without knowing who all of the candidates will be. That certainly doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for him.

And if you think the current economy (as of today) is any indication, then you must be blocking out the economy at this point in Ronald Reagan's first term. Unemployment was higher (increasing 39% compared to a 15% increase under Obama). The debt increased almost as much under Reagan (29%) as it has under Obama (32%). And Reagan went on to an easy re-election.

As someone else pointed out, if the unemployment rate continues to drop, Obama is going to be tough to beat.
 
Badmutha said:
Which of course came after a majority of Americans and Democrats for the matter........supported the initial Liberation of Iraq.
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Well that's meaningless. By 2007, George Bush went against the will of the people by sending more troops into Iraq when poll after poll clearly indicated that Americans wanted more troops deployed out of Iraq, not into there. Yet Bush ignored them and sent more troops anyway.

To highlight your hypocrisy, I point out that at that time, Conservatives defened Bush by saying, a leader does what they believe is right for America, not what is popular. Compare that with what Conservatives say about Obama doing what he believes is best for America and not what is popular -- now they call it "tyranny."

Badmutha said:
.....still doesnt compare to The Kenyan Tyrant shoving his subprime health care bill to nowhere down our throats.......or his attempt to shove his Cap & Tax bill down our throat.....against the overwhelming will of We The People. Welcome to Tyranny.......
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You're wrong about that too. Obama told America that if we would elect him, he would do his best to pass national healthcare.
 
Jetboogieman said:
You know, at this point, I hope he's voted out of office purely because I want people to stop bitching about him.
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That would be unfair to America, keep in mind, Conservatives bitch about every Democratic president. Clinton did a great job and Conservatives bitched about him for 16 years.
 
Badmutha said:
At this point.....

......over two years into Jimmy Carter's second term.......with Gitmo still open, with our troops still in Iraq and Afghanastan, 10% unemployment, 1 in 5 Americans unemployed/underemployed, 1 in 7 Americans living in Poverty, 1 in 7 Americans collecting foodstamps, 1 in 10 Americans facing foreclosure, The Largest Budget in US History, The Largest Budget Deficit in US History, The Largest National Debt in US History.......coming after The Largest Spending Bill in History, a subprime health care bill to nowhere, and The Kenyan Tyrant defying the Will of the American People on numerous occasions......

......do you plan on voting for Obama in 2012?
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Have no fear, Bad...., I'd never vote for you, a tea baggging conservative who puts such a spin on the truth...
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
That would be unfair to America, keep in mind, Conservatives bitch about every Democratic president. Clinton did a great job and Conservatives bitched about him for 16 years.
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Yes !
Did you see that little piece on MSNBC where the conservatives spent ,from memory, 40 million to persecute President Clinton, but only eight million to investigate the corrupt bankers, indirectly involved with the Madoff scandal...
Even back then, the conservatives sickened me.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:

Not sure what you think that poll means. Aside from having a MoE of about 99 points, it has no meaning at all. For example, I voted "no" because I don't "plan" on any candidate this far out, especially without knowing who all of the candidates will be. That certainly doesn't mean I'm not going to vote for him.

And if you think the current economy (as of today) is any indication, then you must be blocking out the economy at this point in Ronald Reagan's first term. Unemployment was higher (increasing 39% compared to a 15% increase under Obama). The debt increased almost as much under Reagan (29%) as it has under Obama (32%). And Reagan went on to an easy re-election.

As someone else pointed out, if the unemployment rate continues to drop, Obama is going to be tough to beat.
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Look for the conservatives to do sneaky things to maintain the high unemployment.
Politics rises to a higher level of depravity.
 
earthworm said:
No, but Palin and that crazy woman from Minnesota are..
Bad......is a shrill for them,IMO.
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And you wouldn't know anything about being a shill for Dems, would you?
 
Jetboogieman said:
You know, at this point, I hope he's voted out of office purely because I want people to stop bitching about him. Seriously, Some conservatives here blame him for everything short of their bowel movements, but alas, I should not think so wishfully, for even if a republican is voted into power in 2012, and they fail to fix the economy, we'll hear for 4 years "Obama's mess was too big to fix".

And irony and Hypocracy will have won the battle once more.
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Yes, I'm sure the irony and hypocracy will only come from the right and we won't have any liberals whining for 4 years about how its the Republican president's fault for everything that goes wrong save for their bowl movements and complaining that Republicans need to own up for what their guy actually does in office.

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No, i'm not planning on voting for obama in 2012. I didn't vote for him in 2008 and nothing he's done makes me more apt to vote for him now.

Depending on what the Republicans do will determine if I vote 3rd party, write in a candidate, or don't vote.
 
This poll is useless because it doesn't leave room for undecided. At this point in time, I have no idea who I will be voting for. It largely depends on the person that the Republicans pick to run against Obama. If it's Newt or the whackadoo from Arkansas (Huckabee), I will be voting for Obama.
 
Zyphlin said:
Yes, I'm sure the irony and hypocracy will only come from the right and we won't have any liberals whining for 4 years about how its the Republican president's fault for everything that goes wrong save for their bowl movements and complaining that Republicans need to own up for what their guy actually does in office.
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I have the wonderful priveledge of not having to answer for the American, Right, Left, Republicans or Democrats.

*Diplomatic Immunity* :2wave:
 
Jetboogieman said:
*Diplomatic Immunity* :2wave:
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It's just been revoked​
 
Krhazy said:
First, of all, I mostly have voted democrat on the national level, including last presidential election, so I don't see voting for Obama as "jumping to" anything. If anything, voting for a Republican for president would be somewhat unusual for me. Daniels and Obama are both moderate politicians who take positions mostly based on what makes sense and is reasonable, rather than what is popular.
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In 2007 Barack Obama was rated THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR.....HusSame is the definition of a Left Wing Extremist...even more liberal than Bernie Sanders (S)..........Mitch Daniels and Obama are polar opposites of the political spectrum.....with agreement on little besides a few social issues.

To jump from one end to political spectrum to another only siginifies your beliefs and values blow..... like a leaf in the political winds.

Their ideas of what is best differ, but unlike most people on this board I don't really think there are any universal truths in governance. I'd be fine with either a small-government or big-government individual, because I recognize the strengths of both theories - as long as important individual rights are protected. I don't see either candidate as going overboard in his political ideology and infringing on any of the rights I consider fundamental, whereas that is a constant danger with the other Republican candidates.
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If the RIGHT TO YOUR PROPERTY AND THE FRUITS OF YOUR OWN LABOR isnt a fundamental right........then what is.
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
Well that's meaningless. By 2007, George Bush went against the will of the people by sending more troops into Iraq when poll after poll clearly indicated that Americans wanted more troops deployed out of Iraq, not into there. Yet Bush ignored them and sent more troops anyway.

To highlight your hypocrisy, I point out that at that time, Conservatives defened Bush by saying, a leader does what they believe is right for America, not what is popular. Compare that with what Conservatives say about Obama doing what he believes is best for America and not what is popular -- now they call it "tyranny."
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Your comparing "The Surge" to one of the Largest pieces of legislation in US History.......its laughable at best.

You're wrong about that too. Obama told America that if we would elect him, he would do his best to pass national healthcare.
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The Kenyan Tyrant also said "The Health Care Negotiations would be on C-SPan"....."You can keep your healthcare if you like it"......."My health care plan wont require an individual mandate"......

......the ****cago Slimball is a LIE-factory that runs 24-7-365.........
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Badmutha said:
At this point, do you plan on voting for Obama in 2012?
Yes 35.71%
No 64.29%

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You have based your determination on a debate forum poll heavily dominated by conservatives. Just saying....................
 
Badmutha said:
In 2007 Barack Obama was rated THE MOST LIBERAL SENATOR.....HusSame is the definition of a Left Wing Extremist...even more liberal than Bernie Sanders (S)..........
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At this point I'm not even inclined to read the rest of your post, because if you think Obama is a radical left wing politician and/or extremist there is no point even talking to you. Obama may be a liberal, but he is hardly a radical. His record more than supports this conclusion, as do the two previous years' results of that same poll you mention (not to mention his election results, which are hardly indicative of someone with extremist positions). That's even putting aside the issue of how radical even the most liberal senator in the U.S. is (the answer is, not very).

I respect those with a grasp of reality and indepedent perspective, and who are thoughtful in their analysis of issues. Daniels (himself more left than many in his party) and Obama both possess these traits. Agitators like yourself do not.
 
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Krhazy said:
At this point I'm not even inclined to read the rest of your post,
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Well dont let all the facts and truth scare you off.....

because if you think Obama is a radical left wing politician and/or extremist there is no point even talking to you. Obama may be a liberal, but he is hardly a radical. His record more than supports this conclusion, as do the two previous years' results of that same poll you mention (not to mention his election results, which are hardly indicative of someone with extremist positions). That's even putting aside the issue of how radical even the most liberal senator in the U.S. is (the answer is, not very).
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Could you please provide ONE VOTE cast by Senator Obama where you feel he sided with the other side of the aisle?


I respect those with a grasp of reality and indepedent perspective, and who are thoughtful in their analysis of issues. Daniels (himself more left than many in his party) and Obama both possess these traits. Agitators like yourself do not.
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So Obama isnt a Left Wing Extremist............

...........can you name a US politican who is?

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Hmmm the ratio is the usual 60 Reps to 40 percent Dems, because more Reps can afford computers, but this in no way represents all the voters.
 
Badmutha said:
Well dont let all the facts and truth scare you off.....



Could you please provide ONE VOTE cast by Senator Obama where you feel he sided with the other side of the aisle?




So Obama isnt a Left Wing Extremist............

...........can you name a US politican who is?

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If you had presented any facts, I would address them. How about, since you are the one who made the accusation, you provide a few votes you feel qualify Obama as an extremist? As most reasonable people would accept, declining to take the side of conservatives in Congress is not the equivalent of being an extremist.

This, of course, is putting aside what he has done since 2007, as apparently you wish to avoid his move farther toward moderate positions during periods since then.
 
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I will probably will vote for Obama, though I could go for some kind of independent. Certainly never voting Republican again on any matter.
 
Badmutha said:
Your comparing "The Surge" to one of the Largest pieces of legislation in US History.......its laughable at best.
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No, I'm comparing two presidents who both made decisions that were unpopular with the masses. The Republican president who did that was hailed by Republicans and Conservatives as displaying leadership qualities while they derided the Democrat president who did that as being tyrannical.

Not that I'm shocked by hypocrisy from the right, mind you, it's just par for the course.
 
Krhazy said:
At this point I'm not even inclined to read the rest of your post, because if you think Obama is a radical left wing politician and/or extremist there is no point even talking to you.
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Well, to be fair, he also thinks the unemployment right now is 10%, so if you're going to expect him to being factually correct, you're not going to be reading any of his posts.
 
Badmutha said:
Next time I would suggest using your open eye..........

Republicans took Control of the House with 63 House Seats, 6 Senate seats, ........this is not what qualified Nov. 2, 2010 as The Largest Political Ass Whooping in history. 63 House seats and 6 Senate seats while impressive, isnt the kicker, especially when you consider only 1/3 of the Senate was up for election, which is the only reason why the Democrats and Harry the body odor Reid retained control.


10 Governorships, 680+ State legislative seats, and control of 19 more State legislatures.. was truely what made Nov. 2, 2010 the ass whooping that it was......and probably the reason why you didnt want to touch that fact.

Throw all the feces you want....when it comes time for redistricting.....the reality of Nov. 2, 2010--The Largest Political Ass Whooping in history will come to fruition.
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Already showed you that in 1933 12 governorships changed hands. I don't have the data for state legislatures, but I have no doubt that they were right in line with that. There is absolutely no question that you are wrong, but then again, hacks like yourself do not concern themselves with facts.
 
Mellie said:
Except in the case of the other option being Satan, no I won't be voting for him.
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To the best of my knowledge, Beck is not running, so you can vote against Obama no problem. :2razz:
 
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