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Is violence an acceptable political tactic?

Is violence an acceptable political tactic?


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I thought the animal rights faux “Wanted” poster just as offensive.

Look man, people who are passionate about certain issues might make posters/signs that others might find inflammatory. In none of these posters do I find suggestions to engage in violence.
 
I thought the animal rights faux “Wanted” poster just as offensive.

You're talking about posters and picket signs. Where's your outrage over actual violence?

According to the Center for Union Facts, an average of nearly 300 incidents of (reported) union violence occur every year. In one example, a three-year strike conducted by the Teamsters against the trucking company, Overnite Transportation (now UPS Freight), produced 55 shootings and prompted the Teamsters to settle with the National Labor Relations Board by posting a four-page notice on the union’s website where the union agreed that (among other things):

“WE WILL NOT brandish or carry any weapon of any kind, including, but not limited to, guns, knives, slingshots, rocks, ball bearings, liquid-filled balloons or other projectiles, sledge hammers, bricks, sticks, or two by fours . . ..

“WE WILL NOT use or threaten to use a weapon of any kind, including but not limited to guns, knives, slingshots, rocks, ball bearings, liquid-filled balloons or other projectiles, picket signs, sticks, sledge hammers, bricks, hot coffee, bottles, two by fours, lit cigarettes, eggs, or bags or balloons filled with excrement . . ..

WE WILL NOT damage, threaten to damage or attempt to damage any vehicle or equipment owned or operated by Overnite, its employees or security guards, by any means or manner, including but not limited by slingshots, rocks, ball bearings, liquid-filled balloons or other projectiles, knives, picket signs, sticks, sledge hammers, bricks, bottles, two by fours, eggs, or paint, or by tearing off mirrors, windshield wipers or antennas, or breaking windows.

WE WILL NOT disable or attempt to disable vehicles owned or operated by Ovemite, by any means or manner, including but not limited to disconnecting or otherwise severing air brake lines, padlocking doors, spraying substances in or otherwise jamming locks, stealing keys, puncturing radiators, cutting hoses or door cables, flattening tires or throwing, placing or otherwise spreading any nails, screws, star nails, jack rocks or similar devices capable of puncturing tires on any road surface.

WE WILL NOT endanger or impede the progress of or harass any non-striking employee or any employee of a neutral person doing business with Ovemite, while he or she is operating a company vehicle or his or her own personal vehicle, by forcing or attempting to force him or her off the road, blocking, delaying or limiting his or her access to or passage on any road, swerving toward, driving recklessly near, tailgating or braking abruptly in front of him or her, impeding his or her progress by speeding up and slowing down, driving at speeds below the legal minimums while in front of him or her. [Emphasis added.]

[To read the rest of the notice (in PDF), go here.]

http://www.redstate.com/laborunionr...iolence-when-will-the-violence-stop-mr-stern/

You know things have gotten out of hand when you have to expressly make promises like that on your website.
 
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Violence can be useful, in the right context. Abortion bombers are lame. Timothy McVeigh was a moron. Etc.

I don't think civil disobedience works anymore. It's been done enough now that government has honed in on the tactics and doesn't seem afraid to send in riot police to violently break up crowds or even use the military in some other countries.

I think citizens of free countries should always be prepared to get violent. The government MUST answer to the people at all times and when they don't do that, they need to be given notice.
 
Violence can be useful, in the right context. Abortion bombers are lame. Timothy McVeigh was a moron. Etc.

I don't think civil disobedience works anymore. It's been done enough now that government has honed in on the tactics and doesn't seem afraid to send in riot police to violently break up crowds or even use the military in some other countries.

I think citizens of free countries should always be prepared to get violent. The government MUST answer to the people at all times and when they don't do that, they need to be given notice.

This/in bold is one of the biggest problems in our country right now.
 
This/in bold is one of the biggest problems in our country right now.

Most of our people are too unhealthy or uneducated to rebel. That's the problem with democracy, the people need to stay fit and aware for it to work. Look at Americans... the things people think about us are true. Our senses have been dulled and our waistlines are huge. Revolution isn't going to happen. Our government learned to keep us quiet a long time ago, and the few that do rise up end up black bagged.
 
Apart from your lousy history, for TurtleDude, I see, violence in American politics is an acceptable tactic.

lousy is libspeak for pointing out a reality that conflicts with your views? You love a state of disarmed citizens.
 
If government-powers use violence to subdue you then violence might be understandable in a push to overthrow them.
 
Violent actions give the government just cause to act with violence in kind. In this day and age you can't effectively fight government oppression with violence. The government can't just go and murder peaceful protesters without significant backlash, but they can defend against militant radicals seeking to destroy their great nation.
 
Is violence an acceptable political tactic? No. But the anti-abortion movement in this country seems not to agree.

Lets keep abortion out of this.
I voted "I do not know".
Define "violence".
Centuries ago, men dueled over political squabbles. Today we use slurs, insults, put downs, other little nasties(lies and spins)....but some still use easily obtained bullets.
Of course, civilization and sanity dictate that violence is not a part of the political arena...
I'd like to see the Liberals above this animistic behavour....this is but a dream.
 
I'm part of the anti-abortion movement and I don't support violence. Your generalizations are false. So I guess the pro-choice movement is more violent because more babies have been delivered and murdered than abortion doctors murdered by crazy people? The pro-choice movement seems to not agree, as they have no problem with delivering babies alive and then murdering them in inhumane ways (and by pro-choice I mean a handful of "doctors." They define the whole group though).
As I have written often, Digsbe, "We need a better people.".
Give it time, a lot of time.
 
Most of our people are too unhealthy or uneducated to rebel. That's the problem with democracy, the people need to stay fit and aware for it to work. Look at Americans... the things people think about us are true. Our senses have been dulled and our waistlines are huge. Revolution isn't going to happen. Our government learned to keep us quiet a long time ago, and the few that do rise up end up black bagged.. I seriously doubt the validity of this !! IMO, our people have hurt themselves, our government wishes to improve them, no easy task with the conservatives around. .
This I do not know about.
The tea bagging conservatives may appear to be physically and mentally lacking, but this has not affected their movement..
 
Yet, not one word about management violence down thru the years against the unions.
Violence begets violence.
As the OP told me, feel free to provide your own examples. Unlike the OP, I won't even duck responding to them.
 
Is violence an acceptable political tactic? No. But the anti-abortion movement in this country seems not to agree.

That works both ways. Though it does make more sense for an pro-abortion advocate to kill, than it does for a pro-lifer to kill. Either way is wrong.

Witness: Pro-Life Advocate Tried to Defend Himself With Sign When Shot, Killed | LifeNews.com
Witness: Pro-Life Advocate Tried to Defend Himself With Sign When Shot, Killed
by Steven Ertelt
LifeNews.com Editor
March 1, 2010
Beamish told the court that Drake cut her off and drove past her in his white truck and stopped at the curb where Pouillon was holding a pro-life sign. She said she saw Drake take his time to steady his hand and fire off shots at Pouillon, who attempted to use his sign to protect himself.
 
Help us here, how would you narrow the question? Is violence in America today, acceptable? Question Mark. Asked another way: who if anyone, in your opinion, deserves to be attacked because of their politics?

No one at this time, but who knows what the future holds.
 
Actually I was thinking of fairly mainstream anti-abortion groups who are publishing so called “Wanted” posters to intimidate, threaten and otherwise terrorize abortion providers in this country. But, feel free to offer your own instances.

I'm pro-life but it's wrong to terrorize abortion doctors with those wanted posters.
 
Violence is absolutely an acceptable political tactic depending on the circumstances surrounding it. For instance, under a legitimately authoratarian regime where any sort of control is completely out of the hands of the people, I believe violence could be acceptable. It's ridiculous in my mind to blanketly state that its not acceptable, when it was violence as a political tactic which directly created this country.

However, I believe in the system we have in America violence is not an acceptable political tactic. The atmosphere and system in which we live allows for actual change to occur, authoratarian ruling to be kept to a minimum realistically speaking, and power on the part of the people to steer government.
 
Is violence an acceptable political tactic? No. But the anti-abortion movement in this country seems not to agree.



this is retarded. as a pro life person myself, I don't think violence is the answer to stop the holocoust of the innocents.
 
I'm shocked, truly shocked, that Chappy all but ignores every left leaning group where extreme elements of it use "violence" as he defines it (Unions, Environmentalists, Anti-War protesters) and instead wishes to focus singularly on right leaning ones.

Is over the top rhetoric problematic? Sure. But there is a large difference between "war" or "violent" metaphors...something used in all segments of society routinely....and actual violent action.
 
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That makes what a few pro-lifers do, look like child's play.
That's because they don't just use the language of violence, they use actual, for real, violence.
 
I still don't fully understand the purpose of this poll, so as a poll it kinda fails for me. People are chiming in about abortion, unions, protesters... I'm afraid the basic question wasn't set up in a manner that led this thread in a cohesive fashion. :(
 
I still don't fully understand the purpose of this poll, so as a poll it kinda fails for me. People are chiming in about abortion, unions, protesters... I'm afraid the basic question wasn't set up in a manner that led this thread in a cohesive fashion. :(
Well, lemme explain. The thread was intended to stir up some anti pro-life sentiment. Instead, everybody else understood that no group corners the market on violent speech and the you just cannot claim that violence is never justified.
 
Is violence an acceptable political tactic?

Yea or Nay.
When it is necessary, yes, when it is not necessary, no. That's kind of an answer that doesn't answer anything, but I think it's the best I can give at the moment.
 
… I believe in the system we have in America violence is not an acceptable political tactic. …

And, yet, you did not vote in the poll. It's not too late to add your name. Not even your name, your pseudonym. Speak up!
 
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