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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by ksu_aviator View Post
    I have no tolerance for anyone that advocates taking away my rights because they think they know better.
    And when your practice of your "rights" tramples on the rights of the masses, then what ?
    Have your ever wondered what bought on the scourge of communism in the first place ??

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And when your practice of your "rights" tramples on the rights of the masses, then what ?
    Have your ever wondered what bought on the scourge of communism in the first place ??
    Try Imperial Russia ruled by the Tzars. When Marx wrote the Communist Manifesto most of Russia was still much serfs.

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Capitalism can be slavery as well....
    A shame, why not learn about these, have you ever wondered why so many embraced these for so long ?
    I know exactly what they are and their differences off the top of my head...don't need to google it. Capitalism is freedom. Just because some people feel the choices they made led to something they don't like, doesn't mean they are enslaved. That's the fallacy that socialist and communists try to use to portray Capitalism as anything other than what it is...pure freedom.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    Which of the five most prominent forms of communism would you pick if you had to?
    The best pick would be "revolt"

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Damn straight we don't. The only thing we want to know about Commies is their compass bearing, longitude, latitude and range... so we know where to aim the Howitzer.
    Which is exactly the wrong way to "defeat" any ideology.
    Or, have we learned anything over the past millennium ?

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    And when your practice of your "rights" tramples on the rights of the masses, then what ?
    Well, that's what laws are for. Ever hear of the saying "my rights end where your nose begins"?

    Have your ever wondered what bought on the scourge of communism in the first place ??
    Yes. And the answer is, Marx and Engles thought they knew better than the average man as to how to allocate goods and services. They neglected to account for Capitalism, which exists in all cultures (even communist countries) and is more of the study of an individuals actions with capital than an actual system employed by a nation.
    You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh; rather, serve one another humbly in love.For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    At least it's a step in the right direction. Just keep it up and one day you too will see the light of Capitalism.
    Never will happen. :P
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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Juiposa have you ever read the book Animal Farm?
    No I can't say I have, what is it aboot?
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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by Juiposa View Post
    No I can't say I have, what is it aboot?
    It's a book written in 1945 by George Orwell about what communism always leads to. As a self proclaim Commie you might want to read it.

    Animal Farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Old Major, the old boar on the Manor Farm, calls the animals on the farm for a meeting, where he compares the humans to parasites and teaches the animals a revolutionary song, "Beasts of England".

    When Major dies three days later, two young pigs, Snowball and Napoleon, assume command and turn his dream into a philosophy. The animals revolt and drive the drunken and irresponsible Mr. Jones from the farm, renaming it "Animal Farm".

    The Seven Commandments of Animalism are written on the wall of a barn. The most important is the seventh, "All animals are equal." All the animals work, but the workhorse, Boxer, does more than others and adopts the maxim — "I will work harder."

    Snowball attempts to teach the animals reading and writing; food is plentiful; and the farm runs smoothly. The pigs elevate themselves to positions of leadership and set aside special food items ostensibly for their personal health. Napoleon takes the pups from the farm dogs and trains them privately. When Mr. Jones tries retaking the farm, the animals defeat him at what they call the "Battle of the Cowshed." Napoleon and Snowball struggle for leadership. When Snowball announces his idea for a windmill, Napoleon opposes it. Snowball makes a speech in favour of the windmill, whereupon Napoleon has his dogs chase Snowball away. In Snowball's absence, Napoleon declares himself leader and makes changes. Meetings will no longer be held and instead a committee of pigs will run the farm.

    Using a young pig named Squealer as a mouthpiece, Napoleon announces that Snowball stole the idea for the windmill from him. The animals work harder with the promise of easier lives with the windmill. After a violent storm, the animals find the windmill annihilated. Napoleon and Squealer convince the animals that Snowball destroyed the windmill, although the scorn of the neighbouring farmers suggests the windmill's walls were too thin. Once Snowball becomes a scapegoat, Napoleon begins purging the farm, killing animals he accuses of consorting with Snowball. Meanwhile, Boxer takes up a second maxim: "Napoleon is always right."

    Napoleon abuses his powers, making life harder for the animals; the pigs impose more control while reserving privileges for themselves. The pigs rewrite history, villainizing Snowball and glorifying Napoleon. Squealer justifies every statement Napoleon makes, even the pigs' alteration of the Seven Commandments of Animalism. "No animal shall sleep in beds" is changed to "No animal shall sleep in beds with sheets" when the pigs are discovered to have been sleeping in the old farmhouse. "No animal shall drink alcohol" is changed to "No animal shall drink alcohol to excess" when the pigs discover the farmer's whisky. "Beasts of England" is banned as inappropriate, as according to Napoleon the dream of Animal Farm has been realized. It is replaced by an anthem glorifying Napoleon, who appears to be adopting the lifestyle of a man. The animals, though cold, starving, and overworked, remain convinced through psychological conditioning that they are better off than they were when ruled by Mr. Jones. Squealer abuses the animals' poor memories and invents numbers to show their improvement.

    Mr. Frederick, one of the neighbouring farmers, swindles Napoleon by buying old wood with forged money, and then attacks the farm, using blasting powder to blow up the restored windmill. Though the animals win the battle, they do so at great cost, as many, including Boxer, are wounded. Boxer continues working harder and harder, until he collapses while working on the windmill. Napoleon sends for a van to take Boxer to the veterinarian, explaining that better care can be given there. Benjamin the donkey, who "could read as well as any pig",[5] notices that the van belongs to "Alfred Simmonds, Horse Slaughterer and Glue Boiler", and attempts to mount a rescue; but the animals' attempts are futile. Squealer reports that the van was purchased by the hospital and the writing from the previous owner had not been repainted. He recounts a tale of Boxer's death in the hands of the best medical care. Shortly after Boxer's death, it is revealed that the pigs have purchased more whisky.

    Years pass, and the pigs learn to walk upright, carry whips, and wear clothes. The Seven Commandments are reduced to a single phrase: "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." Napoleon holds a dinner party for the pigs and the humans of the area, who congratulate Napoleon on having the hardest-working animals in the country on the least feed. Napoleon announces an alliance with the humans, against the labouring classes of both "worlds". He abolishes practices and traditions related to the Revolution, and reverts the name of the farm to "Manor Farm".

    The animals, overhearing the conversation, notice that the faces of the pigs have begun changing. During a poker match, an argument breaks out between Napoleon and Mr. Pilkington when they both play the Ace of Spades, and the animals realize that the faces of the pigs look like the faces of humans and no one can tell the difference between them.
    Animalism

    Animalism is an allegorical mirror of the Soviet Union, particularly between the 1910s and the 1940s, as well as the evolution of the view of the Russian revolutionaries and government of how to practice it.[clarification needed] It is invented by the highly respected pig Old Major. The pigs Snowball, Napoleon, and Squealer adapt Old Major's ideas into an actual philosophy, which they formally name Animalism. Soon after, Napoleon and Squealer indulge in the vices of humans (drinking alcohol, sleeping in beds, trading). Squealer is employed to alter the Seven Commandments to account for his humanization, which represents the Soviet government's tweaking of communist theory to make it more a reformation of capitalism than a replacement.

    The Seven Commandments are laws that were supposed to keep order and ensure elementary Animalism within Animal Farm. The Seven Commandments were designed to unite the animals together against the humans and prevent animals from following the humans' evil habits. Since not all of the animals can remember them, they are boiled down into one basic statement: "Four legs good, two legs bad!" (with wings counting as legs for this purpose, Snowball arguing that wings count as legs as they are objects of propulsion rather than manipulation), which the sheep constantly repeat, distracting the crowd from the lies of the pigs. The original commandments were:

    1. Whatever goes upon two legs is an enemy.
    2. Whatever goes upon four legs, or has wings, is a friend.
    3. No animal shall wear clothes.
    4. No animal shall sleep in a bed.
    5. No animal shall drink alcohol.
    6. No animal shall kill any other animal.
    7. All animals are equal.

    Later, Napoleon and his pigs are corrupted by the absolute power they hold over the farm. To maintain their popularity with the other animals, Squealer secretly paints additions to some commandments to benefit the pigs while keeping them free of accusations of breaking the laws (such as "No animal shall drink alcohol" having "to excess" appended to it and "No animal shall sleep in a bed" with "with sheets" added to it). The changed commandments are as follows, with the changes bolded:

    1. No animal shall sleep in a bed with sheets.
    2. No animal shall drink alcohol to excess.
    3. No animal shall kill any other animal without cause.

    Eventually the laws are replaced with "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others", and "Four legs good, two legs better!" as the pigs become more human.

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    Re: If you had to pick which one?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    It's a book written in 1945 by George Orwell about what communism always leads to. As a self proclaim Commie you might want to read it.

    Animal Farm - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    It's more a history of the USSR and a critique of Stalin rather than a general statement about Communism.

    Orwell himself was a Socialist, but he abhorred totalitarianism.
    So follow me into the desert
    As desperate as you are
    Where the moon is glued to a picture of heaven
    And all the little pigs have God

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