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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    America is broke. America is borrowing money from China to participate in an Afghan Civil War. Does that make sense?
    "The scandal has severe political and security implications. Investigators and Afghan businessmen believe that much of the money has gone into the pockets of a small group of privileged and politically connected Afghans, preventing earlier scrutiny of the bank’s dealings.

    The spotlight on how political and economic interests in Afghanistan are intertwined threatens to further undermine President Hamid Karzai’s government. The bank is also the prime conduit for paying Afghan security forces, leaving the American military, which pays the majority of the salaries, looking for new banks to process the $1.5 billion payroll.

    As Afghan regulators struggle to find out where the money went, many officials and international monitors concede that the missing millions may never be recovered, raising questions of how the losses could be replaced to keep the bank from failing. "

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    The banking structure in Afghanistan is collapsing. We pour money in and it just disappears. Karzai is subtly corrupt. And his brother is blatantly/publicly corrupt.

    The situation is not promising....


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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    The Pashtun madrassas in North and South Waziristan produce Taliban recruits faster than US forces can kill them. And the Taliban is not Al Qaeda. Obama has repeatedly said America is only at war with Al Qaeda. So why is America fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan? This is a civil war.

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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by reefedjib View Post
    FABULOUS!!! A+++++!

    Being ex-Army, are there any successful BCTs/Army missions in spreading the 4-block war principles to provincial tribes? I thought the Army got pretty capable at counterinsurgency under Petreaus in Iraq.
    It's a general phenomena (phenomenon? I always screw that up). I'm sure there are plenty of Army units that have done just fine. One of the "Lessons Learned" for Iraq was that Army units tended to place themselves into defensive postures rather than get out into the people's world (In other words, the "Green Zone" went beyond the Green Zone). Their patrols were kept at a minimum and this meant that their convoys were usually conducted without former security mechanisms. This had been happening in Afghanistan as well with the added incompetence of the coalition forces. It became a habit to preserve life by hunkering down rather than pressing forward to complete the mission. In the mean time, nobody was doing anything, but hanging out in "Green Zones."

    Another problem was identified in the training of ANSF/ANAF. An Afghani security unit trained by an Italian crew looked very different from an Afghani security unit trained by a British crew. And if these coalition forces were eager to hunker down, what did this mean for the attitude of their trained Afghanis? Within the Afghani forces there also arose rivalry and a sense of superiority/jealousy as to what coalition force trained them. Late last year, it was discovered that the newly arrived Marine units were getting much better responses from ANSF/ANAF units and that they were more eager to deal with their corruptions. Eventually, imbedded U.S. Army teams began to hear that their counterparts were demanding Marine trainers and advisors. Coalition Generals have visited Camp Lejeune to discover what we are doing different with out teams as compared to the rest. General Patreaus has been replacing these teams with Marines steadily. My team was in danger of deploying this month, but General Mattis refused to rush our training.

    The Army has other needed talents and their greatest contribution has been in villages and provincial locations where NGO and social strides are moving forward. They are also good at pointing out corruption within the Afghani government. For example, if my Afghani counterparts are not receiving their pay checks or gasoline, etc. then it is usually a U.S soldier up above that is wringing the neck of the corrupt official screwing it up.

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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Cpgrad, Msgt...thank you both for the excellent work over there.
    I am so incredibly proud of our troops. Thank you for your service, from the bottom of my heart.

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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    America is broke. America is borrowing money from China to participate in an Afghan Civil War. Does that make sense?

    Obama has said that Al Qaeda is America's only Muslim enemy. But the US Govt. admits there are fewer than 100 AQ members in Afghanistan. Al Qaeda is no longer a vertically integrated organization. It is now a franchise operation with branches throughout the world, including the USA.

    Obama's Director of Counterterrorism testified under oath before a congressional committee that the Saudi Osama bin Laden is no longer the main threat to America. He said that American born and raised Anwar al Awlaki who is based in Yemen is now the main threat.

    American soldiers will never receive the time and resources they need to achieve success in their counterinsurrgency strategy because the American people won't give them the ten or so years that such a strategy requires to reach fruition.

    It is profoundly immoral to send soldiers into combat under these circumstances. I have seen this before. It was called Vietnam.
    As Usually you are wrong again. We have the resoruces and time over here. I wish you could see what I see out here Albert.

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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir View Post
    In for a penny, in for a pound. Nation-building is a demanding and time-consuming process,
    Especially if you try to nation-build in one of the least hospitable places on earth, instead of in a country where there might actually be a chance of success.

    Quote Originally Posted by Viktyr Korimir
    and if we didn't have the stomach for it we shouldn't have started on this course.
    What course? Afghanistan is just as poor and undeveloped as it was ten years ago. And it probably still will be in another ten years.

    I'm all for helping countries develop their economies and build their nations...but let's concentrate our efforts in places where we actually have the ability to help.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Especially if you try to nation-build in one of the least hospitable places on earth, instead of in a country where there might actually be a chance of success.
    Afghanistan has a chance and is improving exponentially. Stop looking for Vermont and you won't be dissapointed. Remember how quick people wanted to give up on Iraq - another country that was seen as hopless by pundits.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    What course? Afghanistan is just as poor and undeveloped as it was ten years ago. And it probably still will be in another ten years.

    Because of Iraq, Afghanistan has not had 10 years of focus. They have it now. U.S. Marines are no longer deploying to Iraq. Without "pulling them out now" in ten years, Afghanistan will be strong while the fractured insignificant Tali-Ban is probably seeking to topple the Pakistani government. I've stated this for years....."The War on Terror is generational and region wide."
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    A positive outcome would be a relatively stable government in place and with enough power to police itself to prevent the return of terrorist groups who threaten the US. How long it will take I have no idea.
    Thank you for your thoughts Redress. There are many that agree with you. IMO, since Afghanistan has traditionally operated under tribal rule, I just don't see us having the time or the money to convert them to our way of central government. I think it is an unrealistic goal that we can't afford to pursue due to cost, both in terms of lives and National debt that is already bloated from the two wars over the course of a decade.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    If the U.S. doesn't police the world who will.... then U.N?
    Don't police usually get paid for their services? Perhaps we should take a hint and stop running up our National credit card to pay our own salary!
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