View Poll Results: Do you support Obama's continuation of the war in Afghanistan?

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  • Yes, I support Obama's continuation of the war in Afghanistan.

    15 34.88%
  • No, I don't support Obama's continuation of the war in Afghanistan.

    22 51.16%
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    He held his views on Afghanistan long before he was committed to running for office - so certainly long before he was elected.
    Exactly my point. He did not change his position on Afghanistan to appease, compromise, or flex.

    I don't believe his Afghanistan views *makes* him a centrist, moderate or anything else -
    What I have observed is that Obama's Afghanistan war policy has been to the right of most liberals, and even to the right of some conservatives who think it is time to leave Afghanistan.

    He *is* a liberal on a deep, fundamental level.
    I would disagree. From the liberal perspective, he is only slightly less conservative than Bush. He continued the bailout to the banks, He continued the wars, He extended tax cuts for rich, he chose the GOP's public mandate rather than a public option for health insurance. And, at least on the war in Afghanistan, his policy is more conservative than some other conservatives who think it is time to leave.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    His view on Afghanistan is actually taking into consideration the weight of the issues and long term future implications.

    Much alike a lot of people who just are "tired of hearing about it"

    But that doesn't make *him* an overall centrist.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    His view on Afghanistan is actually taking into consideration the weight of the issues and long term future implications.

    Much alike a lot of people who just are "tired of hearing about it"

    But that doesn't make *him* an overall centrist.

    I don't doubt that he thinks he is doing the right thing, but he is no liberal.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    I don't doubt that he thinks he is doing the right thing, but he is no liberal.
    Ok - other than his long-held view on Afghanistan just what would you consider to make him Centrist (this might even be good for another thread).

    I see nothing that spans over time - only after a while *in* the presidency have there been any bits that sway away from his Liberalism - everything from his view on taxation, abortion, religion, family values, economics and on and on - liberal liberal liberal.

    I guess some people see the term 'liberal' as being 'negative' when it's not - it's just a label for a collection of beliefs.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Ok - other than his long-held view on Afghanistan just what would you consider to make him Centrist (this might even be good for another thread).

    I see nothing that spans over time - only after a while *in* the presidency have there been any bits that sway away from his Liberalism - everything from his view on taxation, abortion, religion, family values, economics and on and on - liberal liberal liberal.

    I guess some people see the term 'liberal' as being 'negative' when it's not - it's just a label for a collection of beliefs.
    I see Obama's continuation of these conservative policies: bank bailouts, the war on terrorism, military spending, the Patriot Act, the tax cuts for the rich, CIA Renditions, proposed budget cuts for social programs, and gun laws. Those are just few examples off the top of my head.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Great examples of why I don't follow polls at all - they're too limited and can be easily skewed. To me they are interesting but meaningless.

    The first one (CNN) is based on phone-surveys taken from 1,008 adults - Do you *think* that 1000 out of several million is an accurate sampling?
    Gallup (the 2nd) also based it's findings from a pool of close to 1,000, as well. Again - do you *think* that it is an accurate showing of the entire country?

    No - it is not. I don't believe that a miniscule sampling of the population via phone can remotely come close to accurately defining a country's overall view.
    This is statistically false. A sample of 1,000 is indeed sufficient to represent the entire nation, presuming that their other polling fundamentals are OK.
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    This is statistically false. A sample of 1,000 is indeed sufficient to represent the entire nation, presuming that their other polling fundamentals are OK.
    Yeah - a lot of people think that way about it.

    Fortunately, the government doesn't depend so much on poll as 'intel'
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    Re: Do you support Obama in continuing the Afghanistan war?

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Yeah - a lot of people think that way about it.

    Fortunately, the government doesn't depend so much on poll as 'intel'

    Not sure how that equates to an internet debate about popular opinion in the country, but okay.
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