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  • I am against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

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  • I am againt TSA Body Scanners but am not against Abortion.

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  • I am not against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

    27 43.55%
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    What this all comes down to is that you see a woman who have abortion as "violent criminal", so you see nothing wrong with taking away their rights as we do to criminals. If you were honest (with yourself) you would realise there are rights invloved. The supreme court was right in that. Where you can argue is whether the state has enough interest in looking after the foetus to violate the rights of the women.
    The state has no interest in feeding, clothing, sheltering, educating, or raising children... and I as a taxpayer, am not interested in doing it either. Call me selfish, IDK. I don't think raising a bunch of kids up in state orphanages, and tossing them out in the real word once they hit 18, is going to benefit society in the long run. In fact, it's proven to not benefit society at all...

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A woman trying to kill her own child is pretty violent in my book.


    There is nothing in the constitution that says abortion is a right. If you wish for abortion to be a right then petition your elected officials to go through the amendment process.
    There is nothing in the constitution that says it's a violent crime either... but the constitution does say we have a right to due process, and that it's unconstitutional for the government to punish us by death without a trial.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact that abortion is not a constitutional right gives the government full authority to ban it. It would be different if there was a right to abortion then the government would have to go through the amendment process.Just like there is no constitutional right to Marijuana and other substances so the government can ban it.

    There is no probably cause for TSA scanners.
    So if something isn't a constitutional right the government can ban it?

    Hopefully they fed won't ban internet access, reproducing, tanning, or motor vehicles soon...

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    All you are doing is grasping at straws to play gotcha games with your little poll. The government can ban abortion just like they can marijuana,other drugs and so on. It doesn't require peeking into medical records without a warrant just like drug busts do not require busting down doors without a warrant. The fact that abortion is not in the constitution means that it can be banned or severely restricted.
    Where does it say in the constitution that marijuana and other drugs are banned?

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Centrist77 View Post
    but other than that I dont worry about it to much since it is not a violation of the constitution no matte how bad people want it to be...t.
    Again, as in every thread, [citation needed]

    You have been making that claim a lot, and have only backed it up with "it isn't because it isn't" - literally - and not substance... please for the love of god, PROVE IT. Given your certainty so far as your opinion goes, it shouldn't be difficult.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And all that you are doing is avoiding a very pointed question because you know that it would invalidate your position.
    There is nothing in the constitution that gives anyone a right to have an abortion.Therefore it can be banned.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Using deadly force against violent criminals is different... If you want to kill a woman before she has an abortion, the baby still dies. If she dies during an abortion, the baby still dies. You're advocating the kill 'em all, let god sort them out approach, which isn't how our current legal system works. We don't blow up a bank being robbed, to stop the robbery and punish the wrongdoer.
    Outlawing abortion doesn't do this. You don't have to get an abortion. If you go somewhere to get an illegal procedure then that is your own fault if you die or get severely injured. The government should not make it legal for you to kill your child just so you can safely kill your child.


    What you are saying is that you want to actually see these females die as punishment.... and NOT die after a trial, which is also different from executing a violent criminal after the fact.
    I am saying is that I have no sympathy for someone trying to kill their unborn child. That person is lower than a cockroach as far as I am concerned. This is no different than a burglar who gets killed while trying to rob a home, an attempted rapist who gets killed while trying to rape someone, a bank robber who gets killed while trying to rob a bank or any other criminal dying while in the commission of a crime.Why would someone dying while trying to get an abortion be any different than those cases?


    You're not advocating ending abortion or life, you're just advocating punishment. You're also advocating intrusive government with the mandatory pregnancy tests, monitoring, vaginal ultra sounds, and investigations of miscarriages...
    I never said anything about mandatory pregnancy tests, monitoring, and vaginal ultra sounds. Where in any of my posts did I advocate such a thing? You don't need to do those things to catch people trying to have an abortion or people trying to perform abortions. It would be no different than any other sting operation.



    So really, I am not arguing let's make is safer for people to abort.

    I am arguing that isn't practical, logical, feasible, or cost effective to pursue your ideal prolife society.
    It is practical, logical, feasible, or cost effective for those in the womb whose lives would be saved by making abortion illegal.


    The state has no interest in feeding, clothing, sheltering, educating, or raising children.
    That is wrong. These people can grow up to be successful members of the community and pay taxes.

    .. and I as a taxpayer, am not interested in doing it either. Call me selfish, IDK.

    You are an abortionist of course you are selfish.

    I don't think raising a bunch of kids up in state orphanages, and tossing them out in the real word once they hit 18, is going to benefit society in the long run. In fact, it's proven to not benefit society at all...
    Just like an abortionist and planned parenthood founder to have no regard for innocent life.

    There is nothing in the constitution that says it's a violent crime either... but the constitution does say we have a right to due process, and that it's unconstitutional for the government to punish us by death without a trial.
    Outlawing abortion would not be punishing you without a trial. It's no different than any other criminal dying while in the commission of a crime.

    So if something isn't a constitutional right the government can ban it?

    Hopefully they fed won't ban internet access, reproducing, tanning, or motor vehicles soon...

    Where does it say in the constitution that marijuana and other drugs are banned?
    Where in the constitution does it say those things can't be banned? If its not in the constitution then it is not unconstitutional to ban it.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Outlawing abortion doesn't do this. You don't have to get an abortion. If you go somewhere to get an illegal procedure then that is your own fault if you die or get severely injured. The government should not make it legal for you to kill your child just so you can safely kill your child.

    I am saying is that I have no sympathy for someone trying to kill their unborn child. That person is lower than a cockroach as far as I am concerned. This is no different than a burglar who gets killed while trying to rob a home, an attempted rapist who gets killed while trying to rape someone, a bank robber who gets killed while trying to rob a bank or any other criminal dying while in the commission of a crime.Why would someone dying while trying to get an abortion be any different than those cases?
    When I read the abortion forums it's full of a lot of hardcore lifers talking about how abortion supporters hate the unborn... and spend their time dehumanizing the unborn, and then I find lifers like you. You're judging every single female who has or might have an abortion, and saying she is lower than a cockroach. You obviously have hatred towards these females... and think they should die. That really disturbs me.

    I have actually never met a supporter of abortion rights who actually wishes death on any unborn baby, but you however, wish death on the females who abort. You think it's moral that they die... disturbing.

    Settle down for a minute and explain to me why all those females should die, and think about who they actually are....

    Should minors die? Should rape victims die? Should women trying to get out of abusive relationships die? Should a girl die if the abortion isn't her choice and it's her parents?




    I never said anything about mandatory pregnancy tests, monitoring, and vaginal ultra sounds. Where in any of my posts did I advocate such a thing? You don't need to do those things to catch people trying to have an abortion or people trying to perform abortions. It would be no different than any other sting operation.
    You advocated to check and make sure pregnant women remain pregnant and don't abort


    That is wrong. These people can grow up to be successful members of the community and pay taxes.
    I didn't say they'd grow up to be anything... I said the state has no role in raising children, nor does the state have a great track record in terms of raising children.... just look at Asia and Indian. They could grow up to be successful people, and they could grow up to be unsuccessful, or grow up and be to later placed on deathrow... Who knows, that's not the point.

    Why should the state play the role of a parent... that is literally the definition of a nanny state

    You are an abortionist of course you are selfish.
    I am selfish, and you're delusion if you don't think the prolife position is also selfish...


    Just like an abortionist and planned parenthood founder to have no regard for innocent life.
    Ironically, your posts don't reflect much regard for life... and you're actually ok with seeing more death than I am

    Outlawing abortion would not be punishing you without a trial. It's no different than any other criminal dying while in the commission of a crime.
    Should every single instance of abortion be a crime?
    Last edited by SheWolf; 02-19-11 at 09:46 PM.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    When I read the abortion forums it's full of a lot of hardcore lifers talking about how abortion supporters hate the unborn... and spend their time dehumanizing the unborn, and then I find lifers like you. You're judging every single female who has or might have an abortion, and saying she is lower than a cockroach. You obviously have hatred towards these females... and think they should die. That really disturbs me.
    Anyone trying to kill their child as a means of birth control should be be shown disgust.

    I have actually never met a supporter of abortion rights who actually wishes death on any unborn baby,
    Seeing how you want it to be legal for a mother to kill her unborn child as a means of birth control its just as good as wishing for the death of an unborn baby. It would be like saying I don't think rape should be illegally but I am not advocating that anyone should rape anyone.

    but you however, wish death on the females who abort. You think it's moral that they die... disturbing.
    You think its moral that it be legal for a mother to kill her unborn child. That is seriously ****ed up. Its like saying it should be legal to rape, molest kids or any other horrible despicable thing.

    Settle down for a minute and explain to me why all those females should die, and think about who they actually are....
    Its no different than a criminal dying while in the commission of a crime.

    Should minors die? Should rape victims die? Should women trying to get out of abusive relationships die? Should a girl die if the abortion isn't her choice and it's her parents?
    If they try to kill their own child as a means of birth control then I could care less if they die while getting a back alley abortion.

    You advocated to check and make sure pregnant women remain pregnant and don't abort
    What post did I say that?


    I didn't say they'd grow up to be anything... I said the state has no role in raising children, nor does the state have a great track record in terms of raising children.... just look at Asia and Indian. They could grow up to be successful people, and they could grow up to be unsuccessful, or grow up and be to later placed on deathrow... Who knows, that's not the point.

    Why should the state play the role of a parent... that is literally the definition of a nanny state
    I would rather the state pay for children to raised than for children to be killed. IN regard to raising children the state fills that role in the event parents,private organizations or charities can not do that.

    I am selfish, and you're delusion if you don't think the prolife position is also selfish...
    Pro-abortion side belief- women should be legally allowed to kill their own unborn child as a means of birth control
    Anti-abortion side belief- women should not be legally allowed to kill their own unborn child as a means of birth control.

    The anti-abortion side looks unselfish.



    Ironically, your posts don't reflect much regard for life... and you're actually ok with seeing more death than I am
    I am okay with seeing the deaths of people trying to kill their own children or attempting to kill their own children. Its no different than a burglar getting killed while trying rob a home, a rapist getting killed while raping or trying to rape someone, a bank robber getting killed while trying to rob a bank, a car jacker getting killed while trying to steal a car or any other scumbag getting killed while doing something despicable.

    Should every single instance of abortion be a crime?
    The only time it should be allowed( performed in a actual hospital) is if multiple doctors have confirm that vaginal birth or c-section past a 40% viability rate of the unborn child will result in the loss of the mother's life.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are grasping at straws with unrelated stuff in your failed attempt to compare banning abortion to being against virtual strip searches.
    He answered your question quite well. The reason why the federal government can ban illegal drugs is because of the commerce clause. The commerce clause is elastic but no serious legal scholar is going to tell you it can stretch far enough to cover an abortion ban.

    Moreover, you don't need cause for TSA searches because they are consented to.

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