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  • I am against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

    15 24.19%
  • I am againt TSA Body Scanners but am not against Abortion.

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  • I am not against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

    27 43.55%
  • I am not against TSA Body Scanners but am against Abortion.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    What part of the Constitution would give the government the authority to ban abortion?
    The fact that abortion is not a constitutional right gives the government full authority to ban it. It would be different if there was a right to abortion then the government would have to go through the amendment process.Just like there is no constitutional right to Marijuana and other substances so the government can ban it.



    For example...TSA Body scanners.
    There is no probably cause for TSA scanners.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact that abortion is not a constitutional right gives the government full authority to ban it. It would be different if there was a right to abortion then the government would have to go through the amendment process.Just like there is no constitutional right to Marijuana and other substances so the government can ban it.
    I don't think that you understand just how the Constitution works. The federal government cannot act outside of the Constitution. For example: It cannot write a law stating how many cars you can have on your property. That is outside of its authority. Just because something is not a right according to the Constitution does not mean that the federal government can approve/ban it. It MUST fall within the powers given to it via the Constitution. Banning abortion does not fall within any part of the Constitution. And if you think that it does then SHOW me where in the Constitution it says that the federal government may pass laws on ANYthing that is not enumerated within the Constitution as a right. Before you go reading the whole thing then I would suggest looking up the 9th and the 10th Amendments. If you still insist on trying to find something within the Constution that supports your side then I will then refer you to the Article 1 Section 8:Powers of Congress of the Constitution. The federal government cannot govern every aspect of the peoples lives. No matter how much you may wish it were so. The Constitution is in fact a LIMIT on the federal government. NOT a limit on The People.



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is no probably cause for TSA scanners.
    Actually yes there is. 9/11 proved otherwise. Also past judgments about similiar (though different types of technology being used) said that you give your consent therefore it is legal.

    In anycase you have yet to answer me directly. Do you have a right to know whether a woman is pregnant 500 miles from you? A block from you? Your neighbor? Or does the woman have a right to keep her pregnancy private?
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I don't think that you understand just how the Constitution works. The federal government cannot act outside of the Constitution. For example: It cannot write a law stating how many cars you can have on your property. That is outside of its authority.
    Abortion isn't even comparable to what would be zoning restrictions. You are grasping at straws with your miserable failed attempt to play gotcha games with people against abortion and virtual strip searches at the airport.


    Just because something is not a right according to the Constitution does not mean that the federal government can approve/ban it.
    It MUST fall within the powers given to it via the Constitution. Banning abortion does not fall within any part of the Constitution. And if you think that it does then SHOW me where in the Constitution it says that the federal government may pass laws on ANYthing that is not enumerated within the Constitution as a right.
    Does the war on drugs ring a bell?


    Before you go reading the whole thing then I would suggest looking up the 9th and the 10th Amendments. If you still insist on trying to find something within the Constution that supports your side then I will then refer you to the Article 1 Section 8:Powers of Congress of the Constitution.

    Which have nothing to do with abortion.

    The federal government cannot govern every aspect of the peoples lives. No matter how much you may wish it were so. The Constitution is in fact a LIMIT on the federal government. NOT a limit on The People.
    So you are saying that the government can not ban stealing, rape, murder and ect?
    Actually yes there is. 9/11 proved otherwise. Also past judgments about similiar (though different types of technology being used) said that you give your consent therefore it is legal.
    Citizens walking into airports is not probably cause to be virtually stripped search.Its like saying cops can search any one with long hair because hippies smoke pot and have long hair.

    In anycase you have yet to answer me directly. Do you have a right to know whether a woman is pregnant 500 miles from you? A block from you? Your neighbor? Or does the woman have a right to keep her pregnancy private?
    That has nothing to do with banning abortion.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Abortion isn't even comparable to what would be zoning restrictions. You are grasping at straws with your miserable failed attempt to play gotcha games with people against abortion and virtual strip searches at the airport.
    You're right it doesn't. What it does have to do with is your insistence that the federal government can ban abortion without having to do it via an amendment. I used an example of why it cannot. Do you deny that the federal government can't dictate how many cars you keep on your property via a regular federal law?


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Does the war on drugs ring a bell?
    Does the commerce clause ring a bell?

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Which have nothing to do with abortion.
    Actually the 9th and 10th Amendments would apply if Roe vs Wade were overturned. As for Article 1 Section 8, this applies to your belief that the federal government can make any ole' law that they want without having to go through the amendment process. That whole section that you cherry picked was mainly about your insistence of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    So you are saying that the government can not ban stealing, rape, murder and ect?
    Nope. Read the Constitution, its history, and anything else related to the Constitution and how it works.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Citizens walking into airports is not probably cause to be virtually stripped search.Its like saying cops can search any one with long hair because hippies smoke pot and have long hair.
    No but boarding terrorists is. You giving your consent allows them to use that scanner. If you don't like it...don't consent.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That has nothing to do with banning abortion.
    Actually it has everything to do with abortion and you know it. Just answer the dang question...unless you're afraid because you know how it will end up if you do? If so then thats fine. Just say that you won't answer it. We can then go about our business knowing that you were not honest enough in your convictions to defend them utterly.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You're right it doesn't. What it does have to do with is your insistence that the federal government can ban abortion without having to do it via an amendment. I used an example of why it cannot. Do you deny that the federal government can't dictate how many cars you keep on your property via a regular federal law?




    Does the commerce clause ring a bell?



    Actually the 9th and 10th Amendments would apply if Roe vs Wade were overturned. As for Article 1 Section 8, this applies to your belief that the federal government can make any ole' law that they want without having to go through the amendment process. That whole section that you cherry picked was mainly about your insistence of that.



    Nope. Read the Constitution, its history, and anything else related to the Constitution and how it works.



    No but boarding terrorists is. You giving your consent allows them to use that scanner. If you don't like it...don't consent.



    Actually it has everything to do with abortion and you know it. Just answer the dang question...unless you're afraid because you know how it will end up if you do? If so then thats fine. Just say that you won't answer it. We can then go about our business knowing that you were not honest enough in your convictions to defend them utterly.
    You are grasping at straws with unrelated stuff in your failed attempt to compare banning abortion to being against virtual strip searches.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Actually it has everything to do with abortion and you know it. Just answer the dang question...unless you're afraid because you know how it will end up if you do? If so then thats fine. Just say that you won't answer it. We can then go about our business knowing that you were not honest enough in your convictions to defend them utterly.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    You are grasping at straws with unrelated stuff in your failed attempt to compare banning abortion to being against virtual strip searches.
    Non-ability to answer the question duly noted. Refer to bold part in my quote.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    The wording is a little funny but I think I answered it properly but I explain my vote anyway.

    I am FOR the right to abort, in the case of abortion its none of my business and its wrong to force women to carry a child to term.

    The TSA policies dont really bother me.
    I wonder if they are over the top
    I wonder how effective they are
    I wonder if the proper training is done
    but other than that I dont worry about it to much since it is not a violation of the constitution no matte how bad people want it to be and I fly probably 6 times, 12-14 flights a year at least.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Non-ability to answer the question duly noted. Refer to bold part in my quote.
    All you are doing is grasping at straws to play gotcha games with your little poll. The government can ban abortion just like they can marijuana,other drugs and so on. It doesn't require peeking into medical records without a warrant just like drug busts do not require busting down doors without a warrant. The fact that abortion is not in the constitution means that it can be banned or severely restricted.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    All you are doing is grasping at straws to play gotcha games with your little poll. The government can ban abortion just like they can marijuana,other drugs and so on. It doesn't require peeking into medical records without a warrant just like drug busts do not require busting down doors without a warrant. The fact that abortion is not in the constitution means that it can be banned or severely restricted.
    And all that you are doing is avoiding a very pointed question because you know that it would invalidate your position.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    To a prolifer the lets keep abortion legal so it is safe for a mother to kill her children is a idiotic reason to keep abortion legal. Its like saying lets have tax payers provide bullet proof vests to potential violent criminals to keep them safe while robbing a home, trying to kill someone and etc.
    Using deadly force against violent criminals is different... If you want to kill a woman before she has an abortion, the baby still dies. If she dies during an abortion, the baby still dies. You're advocating the kill 'em all, let god sort them out approach, which isn't how our current legal system works. We don't blow up a bank being robbed, to stop the robbery and punish the wrongdoer.

    What you are saying is that you want to actually see these females die as punishment.... and NOT die after a trial, which is also different from executing a violent criminal after the fact.

    You're not advocating ending abortion or life, you're just advocating punishment. You're also advocating intrusive government with the mandatory pregnancy tests, monitoring, vaginal ultra sounds, and investigations of miscarriages...

    So really, I am not arguing let's make is safer for people to abort. I am arguing that isn't practical, logical, feasible, or cost effective to pursue your ideal prolife society.

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