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  • I am against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

    15 24.19%
  • I am againt TSA Body Scanners but am not against Abortion.

    15 24.19%
  • I am not against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

    27 43.55%
  • I am not against TSA Body Scanners but am against Abortion.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Laws against abortion do not violate the 4th amendment or the 1st amendment.
    No, according to the supreme court it violates the 14th Amendment until viability.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    No, according to the supreme court it violates the 14th Amendment until viability.
    There is nothing about abortion in the 14th amendment.

    Fourteenth Amendment
    Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

    Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.

    Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    This will be an open poll. That way we can just discard all anonymous votes.

    One question, two subjects.

    1: Are you against/not against TSA body scanners?

    2: Are you against/not against abortion?

    Why?

    There will be no "other" option as quite frankly I don't care about "other" options. This thread is not about "other" options.
    You should have made two polls. These subjects are worlds apart.

    I guess I'm neutral on the scanners. They may serve a purpose. I'm not sure.

    I believe abortion should be legal within the 1st trimester.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Since there is nothing in the constitution that says anything about abortion then the federal government can ban abortion.
    The only way that it can is via an amendment. There is nothing in the Constitution which grants it the authority to dictate whether a person may have an abortion or not with normal federal laws.

    In anycase lets get back to the privacy issue. Do you have a right to know whether a person 500 miles away is pregnant? How about a block away? Your neighbor? Or does the woman have the right to keep it private?
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    You should have made two polls. These subjects are worlds apart.

    I guess I'm neutral on the scanners. They may serve a purpose. I'm not sure.

    I believe abortion should be legal within the 1st trimester.
    I didn't seperate them because I wanted to show how anti-abortion and anti-body scanners are contradictory when it comes to arguing privacy as a reason to not allow body scanners yet privacy is thrown out the window when it comes to abortion. (Roe vs Wade having been decided on privacy issues)
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The only way that it can is via an amendment. There is nothing in the Constitution which grants it the authority to dictate whether a person may have an abortion or not with normal federal laws.
    If its not in the constitution, then it is not unconstitutional to ban it.

    In anycase lets get back to the privacy issue. Do you have a right to know whether a person 500 miles away is pregnant? How about a block away? Your neighbor? Or does the woman have the right to keep it private?
    I do not see cops busting down doors of houses, taping phone lines or anything else to catch other criminals. Abortion would be no different and this has been address in multiple posts
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If its not in the constitution, then it is not unconstitutional to ban it.
    What part of the Constitution would give the government the authority to ban abortion? Remember, the Constitution enumerates the powers of the federal government. Anythinig not listed is beyond thier scope to make federal laws on. As I stated earlier the only part that does is the Amendment process. Beyond that there is nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not see cops busting down doors of houses, taping phone lines or anything else to catch other criminals. Abortion would be no different and this has been address in multiple posts
    Really? Then whats all the hubbub over the Patriot Act? How is it that cops can bust down a door if two people are arguing and reported but doesn't answer when the cops first knock on the door, irregardless if there is an actual threat? Probable cause allows cops to do lots of things that could be argued as violating privacy. For example...TSA Body scanners.

    In anycase equivocation is not an answer.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is nothing about abortion in the 14th amendment.
    As I said, the same as there's nothing about mouth flapping and making noise in the Constitution.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    If its not in the constitution, then it is not unconstitutional to ban it.
    There's nothing in the constitution about moving our mouth or lips either, does that mean the government can ban us from moving our mouth if enough people find something wrong with it?

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    Re: Against/not against.

    In an intrusive society where law and order are given priority ahead of human rights there is not much sense in objecting to body scans. It just invites scrutiny by security organs.

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