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  • I am against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

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  • I am againt TSA Body Scanners but am not against Abortion.

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  • I am not against both TSA Body Scanners and Abortion.

    27 43.55%
  • I am not against TSA Body Scanners but am against Abortion.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    Make it harder... maybe, stop females stop doing it altogether, no.
    I am well aware that you can't stop everyone. Laws against murder do not stop everyone, nor do laws against drugs stop everyone. However our prisons are full of people who d these things.
    You act like nobody would go to a foreign country or take an abortion pill.
    A lot of people go to other countries to do what may consider crimes in our countries. However not everyone can afford a trip to another country.

    You act like everybody is going to try to get an illegal abortion at a legitimate hospital, and that's not what happened before RvW. Abortions were preformed in homes and in hotel rooms... sometimes in makeshift clinics, but rarely in hospitals and with clean medical equipment.
    Right now, there are boats that go to some countries and pick up females who want abortions, and then preform the abortions legally, in international waters... lol
    We have 1.37 million abortions in this country. I seriously doubt that many people could take a boat trip in the US to other countries just to have an abortion.

    Abortion Statistics
    But if you just overturn RvW, it will just back to the states... so then these females would go to other states, not exactly leave the country or have to go into international waters.
    I am not a let the states decide on the issue of abortion I believe abortion is no different than murder, the last thing I want is states deciding the legality of this.



    After the conviction... you know how long a conviction might take?You could just allow her to abort a 4 week old embryo, but no... wait until he is convicted and it's a 4 to 6 month old fetus
    I don't care. Abortionist are the least honest people. Nothing would stop them from claiming rape and then dropping charges after an abortion.





    No offensive, but this is a ridiculous idea...
    It works for catching car theives, drug dealers and other criminals. Therefore it is not a ridiculous idea.


    Every patient omitted to a hospital requires a record, and every surgery requires a staff of people administering medications and checking the patient's records.. which is another reason why you're ridiculous for thinking doctors would accept patients who come in and ask for an illegal abortion.
    You assume criminals obey the law. They don't
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I am well aware that you can't stop everyone. Laws against murder do not stop everyone, nor do laws against drugs stop everyone. However our prisons are full of people who d these things.


    A lot of people go to other countries to do what may consider crimes in our countries. However not everyone can afford a trip to another country.

    You act like everybody is going to try to get an illegal abortion at a legitimate hospital, and that's not what happened before RvW. Abortions were preformed in homes and in hotel rooms... sometimes in makeshift clinics, but rarely in hospitals and with clean medical equipment.


    We have 1.37 million abortions in this country. I seriously doubt that many people could take a boat trip in the US to other countries just to have an abortion.

    Abortion Statistics


    I am not a let the states decide on the issue of abortion I believe abortion is no different than murder, the last thing I want is states deciding the legality of this.



    I don't care. Abortionist are the least honest people. Nothing would stop them from claiming rape and then dropping charges after an abortion.







    It works for catching car theives, drug dealers and other criminals. Therefore it is not a ridiculous idea.




    You assume criminals obey the law. They don't
    The abortion rate in Brazil is higher... 1.44 million, and abortion is ILLEGAL in Brazil. Making abortion illegal has little to no impact on the rate of abortion.

    The Incidence of Abortion Worldwide

    A recent study conducted in Brazil revealed that although abortion is illegal in almost all cases, nearly 1 in 5 women of childbearing age have terminated a pregnancy, a staggeringly high percentage considering that the vast majority were obtained outside the law. And indeed, these are often unsafe procedures; 200,000 women are hospitalized each year due to complications from illegal abortions.
    Illegal Abortions Proliferate in Brazil, Despite Abortion Ban

    Making abortion illegal to stop it, it impractial and you'll end up creating another problem... women and young girls die as a result. How many women do you know have had an abortion? Are you willing to see them die for your beliefs?

    And you have already admitted that a female can easily have an abortion without you ever knowing... so it's actually impossible for you know exactly WHO you might be putting at risk with the laws you promote.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    The abortion rate in Brazil is higher... 1.44 million, and abortion is ILLEGAL in Brazil. Making abortion illegal has little to no impact on the rate of abortion.

    The Incidence of Abortion Worldwide


    Illegal Abortions Proliferate in Brazil, Despite Abortion Ban

    Abortion is not illegal in Brazil. Brazil has a health and rape exceptions and I am pretty sure those exceptions are abused. Nor can you compare a country like Brazil with a lousy law enforcement and rampant corruption to a country like the US.

    Summary of Abortion Laws Around the World

    World Abortion Law Map

    Brazil Corruption Gets Better. Country as Corrupt as Colombia Now


    Making abortion illegal to stop it, it impractial and you'll end up creating another problem... women and young girls die as a result.
    To a prolifer the lets keep abortion legal so it is safe for a mother to kill her children is a idiotic reason to keep abortion legal. Its like saying lets have tax payers provide bullet proof vests to potential violent criminals to keep them safe while robbing a home, trying to kill someone and etc.

    How many women do you know have had an abortion?
    None.
    Are you willing to see them die for your beliefs?
    I am happy to see anyone die for attempting to their child. Just as I would any other attempted murder, bank robber, car theif, attempted rapist gets killed in the process of committing a crime.

    And you have already admitted that a female can easily have an abortion without you ever knowing... so it's actually impossible for you know exactly WHO you might be putting at risk with the laws you promote.
    If a relative or friend of mine did get killed while in the process of trying to kill her own child I might be sad but at the same time I would be madder than hell that they killed their own child.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Abortion is not illegal in Brazil. Brazil has a health and rape exceptions and I am pretty sure those exceptions are abused. Nor can you compare a country like Brazil with a lousy law enforcement and rampant corruption to a country like the US.

    Summary of Abortion Laws Around the World

    World Abortion Law Map

    Brazil Corruption Gets Better. Country as Corrupt as Colombia Now




    To a prolifer the lets keep abortion legal so it is safe for a mother to kill her children is a idiotic reason to keep abortion legal. Its like saying lets have tax payers provide bullet proof vests to potential violent criminals to keep them safe while robbing a home, trying to kill someone and etc.


    None.


    I am happy to see anyone die for attempting to their child. Just as I would any other attempted murder, bank robber, car theif, attempted rapist gets killed in the process of committing a crime.



    If a relative or friend of mine did get killed while in the process of trying to kill her own child I might be sad but at the same time I would be madder than hell that they killed their own child.
    What this all comes down to is that you see a woman who have abortion as "violent criminal", so you see nothing wrong with taking away their rights as we do to criminals. If you were honest (with yourself) you would realise there are rights invloved. The supreme court was right in that. Where you can argue is whether the state has enough interest in looking after the foetus to violate the rights of the women.

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    Re: Against/not against.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    What this all comes down to is that you see a woman who have abortion as "violent criminal",
    A woman trying to kill her own child is pretty violent in my book.

    so you see nothing wrong with taking away their rights as we do to criminals. If you were honest (with yourself) you would realise there are rights invloved. The supreme court was right in that. Where you can argue is whether the state has enough interest in looking after the foetus to violate the rights of the women.
    There is nothing in the constitution that says abortion is a right. If you wish for abortion to be a right then petition your elected officials to go through the amendment process.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    A woman trying to kill her own child is pretty violent in my book.


    There is nothing in the constitution that says abortion is a right. If you wish for abortion to be a right then petition your elected officials to go through the amendment process.
    No abortion isn't a right, but neither do the constitution say that I have a right to flap my lips and make noise. Instead it guarantees my rights to free speech as well as privacy, both of which I need to protect me when I say something or get a medical procedure which other people find objectionable.

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    There is nothing in the constitution that says abortion is a right. If you wish for abortion to be a right then petition your elected officials to go through the amendment process.
    Sorry that I have been gone for the last couple of days. Got sick :P .

    Anyways, there is nothing in the Constitution which forbids it either. As such a "right" to an abortion could concievablely (and more than likely would) fall under the 10th Amendment. Which is why I believe that SheWolf said that it would just end up being a states issue if Roe v Wade was overturned. The only way for you to totally outlaw abortion across the whole of the US would be to add an amendment to the Constitution. And that is where our arguements actually differ. You're way would require an Amendment to the Constitution. Our way could simply fall...at the very least...down to the 10th Amendment and be decided under States Legislatures, assuming of course if Wade v Roe were overturned.
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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by nonpareil View Post
    No abortion isn't a right, but neither do the constitution say that I have a right to flap my lips and make noise. Instead it guarantees my rights to free speech as well as privacy, both of which I need to protect me when I say something or get a medical procedure which other people find objectionable.
    Laws against abortion do not violate the 4th amendment or the 1st amendment.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Against/not against.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sorry that I have been gone for the last couple of days. Got sick :P .

    Anyways, there is nothing in the Constitution which forbids it either.
    Since there is nothing in the constitution that says anything about abortion then the federal government can ban abortion.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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