No offense... but all this is why I am against criminalizing abortion. Making it illegal doesn't solve anything, it just creates a different problem.
Now of course... we have non surgical abortions... like the pill, and that will just cause a miscarriage.
I'd say that is very intrustive... Some women and girl's are really particular about who is going to do those exams on them, and you want it enforced on them by the law. I am completely uncomfortable with this... it would be way too intrustive, moreso than the TSA scans and if the government abused such athority... OMG. Disgusting! It's not even worth the hassel or the risk. We are talking about young girls in some cases...
I'm indifferent about body scanners. However I am strongly against abortion.
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I strongly disagree. It would make it hard for a woman to kill her unborn child.No offense... but all this is why I am against criminalizing abortion. Making it illegal doesn't solve anything, it just creates a different problem.
You can't prove rape with medical tests. And if the law did make a rape exception an abortion should be allowed after someone has been convicted of rape. Besides that I do not think there should be an abortion exception for rape, don't punish the child for the actions of his or her father.Proving you were raped
No it wouldn't. You make abortions only legal in hospitals and every now and then send in a pregnant under cover to try to get an abortion with no life threatening condition to catch doctors trying to administer unauthorized abortions.or that your life is at risk... and absolutely at risk, not just your health and safety.. does require the government peeking into your medical records.
I realize that we can't catch those who have early term abortions,unless an abortion provider was stupid enough to keep records or if there was a concerned citizen video taping the abortion.Perfectly healthy women have miscarriages!
And lots of pregnant women and girls have early term abortions before there is any sign they are pregnant... so unless you're going to do womb checks, you really can't monitor the unborn population
Making abortion illegal does not in any shape or form violate the 4th amendment. cops do not need to violate the 4th amendment to catch drug dealers, bust meth labs and other criminals.Making abortion illegal would be no different than catching other criminals.
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Kal, although I agree a creative way to look at the parallels, I'm not in agreement that your argument holds any weight in practical terms. In Roe v. Wade, the right to determine was indeed an interpretation on privacy rights, and providing a rationale basis test. The SCOTUS essentially codified what was "reasonable", finding, although arguably, a compromise with respect to right to privacy, and that of reasonable state interest. Conversly, body scans are interpreted much the same way. Is it unreasonable to search, irrespective of privacy, someone's body at an airport? Using the same scrutiny, one would argue that it is most certainly reasonable; therefore, it is reasonable to be against abortion, and yet, also be for, or in support of, body scans.
Side note: I'm somewhat embarrassed that I did not sniff this one out.. Kudos..
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I voted other.
Tucker Case - Tard magnet.
You act like nobody would go to a foreign country or take an abortion pill. You act like everybody is going to try to get an illegal abortion at a legitimate hospital, and that's not what happened before RvW. Abortions were preformed in homes and in hotel rooms... sometimes in makeshift clinics, but rarely in hospitals and with clean medical equipment.
Right now, there are boats that go to some countries and pick up females who want abortions, and then preform the abortions legally, in international waters... lol
But if you just overturn RvW, it will just back to the states... so then these females would go to other states, not exactly leave the country or have to go into international waters.
After the conviction... you know how long a conviction might take? You could just allow her to abort a 4 week old embryo, but no... wait until he is convicted and it's a 4 to 6 month old fetusYou can't prove rape with medical tests. And if the law did make a rape exception an abortion should be allowed after someone has been convicted of rape. Besides that I do not think there should be an abortion exception for rape, don't punish the child for the actions of his or her father.
No offensive, but this is a ridiculous idea...No it wouldn't. You make abortions only legal in hospitals and every now and then send in a pregnant under cover to try to get an abortion with no life threatening condition to catch doctors trying to administer unauthorized abortions.
Every patient omitted to a hospital requires a record, and every surgery requires a staff of people administering medications and checking the patient's records.. which is another reason why you're ridiculous for thinking doctors would accept patients who come in and ask for an illegal abortion.I realize that we can't catch those who have early term abortions,unless an abortion provider was stupid enough to keep records or if there was a concerned citizen video taping the abortion.
They'd easily get caught, and it wouldn't even take an undercover cop... it would just take a nurse or an assistant asking where her records are, who preformed the ultrasound, where is the ultrasound photo? Why wasn't the abortion entered in her medical records?
Last edited by SheWolf; 02-14-11 at 04:06 PM.