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Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?


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Explain your answers, please.
 
Extremism is in the eye of the beholder.

But from my own point of view as an American growing up in a Western democracy, I believe they are extreme yes.
 
I don't understand why we need to judge them or why we should expect the president to. We have no place supporting their revolution or not... it's their country, their rights, and their future. The only responsibility USA has in this situation, is supporting Mubarak and his policies, and America shouldn't have supported a foreign regime in a foreign country and neglected the people in that country.

I haven't had time to watch the news much, because I am working overtime... but it seems like some pundits are trying to paint them as extremists and others are not, so I don't know who to believe... I haven't had time to watch much of it for myself yet.
 
In the past the Muslim Brotherhood engaged in violence against the various Egyptian regimes. In recent years, they have become much more peaceful and determined to gain power through political means. I don't agree with many of their beliefs, especially treatment of women, but they are not especially dangerous.
 
From my perspective yes, and I certainly don't want them to have any sort of power.
 
They aren't well-supported by the Egyptian people, so the assumption that they will gain power if Mubarack steps down is a bit like assuming that the KKK would take over if Hailey Barber stepped down.
 
There are pages and pages here.
I've barely read any and it frightens me.
It starts out in Arabic, but quickly changes to English.


http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf
One: The Memorandum is derived from:
1 - The general strategic goal of the Group in America which was approved by the Shura Council
and the Organizational Conference for the year [I9871 is "Enablement of Islam in North
America, meaning: establishing an effective and a stable Islamic Movement led by the Muslim
Brotherhood which adopts Muslims' causes domestically and globally,
and which works to
expand the observant Muslim base, aims at unifying and directing Muslims' efforts, presents
Islam as a civilization alternative, and supports the global Islamic State wherever it is".
2- The priority that is approved by the Shura Council for the work of the Group in its current and
former session which is "Settlement".
3- The positive development with the brothers in the Islamic Circle in an attempt to reach
 
I don't understand why we need to judge them or why we should expect the president to. We have no place supporting their revolution or not... it's their country, their rights, and their future. The only responsibility USA has in this situation, is supporting Mubarak and his policies NO!, we should have zero responsibility to any dictator in any land...Our responsibility is upholding human rights in conjunction with the UN. , and America shouldn't have supported a foreign regime in a foreign country and neglected the people in that country. Agree, but which nation are we discussing?

I haven't had time to watch the news much, You are missing very little, the "news" is rehashed over and over and over, ad nausum because I am working overtime... but it seems like some pundits are trying to paint them as extremists and others are not, so I don't know who to believe... I haven't had time to watch much of it for myself yet.
I just heard of this Muslim Brotherhood last week and am not privy to any truth.
So, no opioion.
I just want Egypt to have a pro-Egyptian government, (for the first time ??), forget about America and Israel.
 
There are pages and pages here.
I've barely read any and it frightens me.
It starts out in Arabic, but quickly changes to English.


http://www.investigativeproject.org/documents/misc/20.pdf

You and I agree on but two things, one is Walmart.
We do have freedom of religion here, this means all "religions", even, IMO, evil ones.
Section 4 speaks of destroying our "way of life".
If this is so, and these Islamics have a strange way with words, then Islam should be banned in our nation.
 
I don't know. 1) I haven't kept up on most of the developments. 2) I haven't read various position papers from think-tanks or analyst sites (including STRATFOR) 3) There likewise seems to be confusion. Likely, there could be varying elements within an organization that are extreme, just like in many other organizations.
 
In the past the Muslim Brotherhood engaged in violence against the various Egyptian regimes. In recent years, they have become much more peaceful and determined to gain power through political means. I don't agree with many of their beliefs, especially treatment of women, but they are not especially dangerous.

You don't think allowing a father to behead his daughter because she had sex with someone other than her husband is "not especially dangerous" or extreme? Sharia Law is very dangerous and very extreme.
 
You don't think allowing a father to behead his daughter because she had sex with someone other than her husband is "not especially dangerous" or extreme? Sharia Law is very dangerous and very extreme.

The meaning of "Sharia Law" depends on the person...
 
You and I agree on but two things, one is Walmart.
We do have freedom of religion here, this means all "religions", even, IMO, evil ones.
Section 4 speaks of destroying our "way of life".
If this is so, and these Islamics have a strange way with words, then Islam should be banned in our nation.

Islam should be banned? Are you serious?

Kind of offtopic but everyone please support this Independent Film coming out called Mooz-Lum. It will maybe/hopefully bring awareness to folks in reguards to Muslims in our country. It is about a Muslim American family in a post 9/11. For more info see this review or visit their site please
Movie review: 'Mooz-lum' - latimes.com

"A potent feature debut for writer-director Qasim Basir, "Mooz-lum" attacks Islamist extremism while offering audiences a rare and illuminating depiction of life as a Muslim in America."

We need to wake up in the U.S.A. and understand that Muslims among us are not all evil.
 
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Explain your answers, please.
Why does it matter? Lets say for the sake of argument they are extremist Muslims, what would you do about it? As for myself, I want Mubarak out of there.
 
Why does it matter? Lets say for the sake of argument they are extremist Muslims, what would you do about it? As for myself, I want Mubarak out of there.

I'd go further and say even that is irrelevant. Mubarak is pretty much out of there whether we like it or not.
 
There might be some extremist arms; yet by and large they are very close in hand to the birth of neoconservatism.

Think ... Paul Wolfowitz and Ayman al-Zawahiri as two examples ... flip side of a similar coin.


http://www.archive.org/details/ThePowerOfNightmares


This film explores the origins in the 1940s and 50s of Islamic Fundamentalism in the Middle East, and Neoconservatism in America, parallels between these movements, and their effect on the world today. From the introduction to Part 1:

"Both [the Islamists and Neoconservatives] were idealists who were born out of the failure of the liberal dream to build a better world. And both had a very similar explanation for what caused that failure. These two groups have changed the world, but not in the way that either intended. Together, they created todayÃÂÃÂs nightmare vision of a secret, organized evil that threatens the world. A fantasy that politicians then found restored their power and authority in a disillusioned age. And those with the darkest fears became the most powerful. " The Power of Nightmares, Baby It's Cold Outside
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The people in this thread talking about Islam are the people who suddenly became experts after September 11, 2001 and without doing any real reading into history. These are the same people who tend to think that Iraqis are Arabs or think the middle east is one big terrorist regime. At them I laugh.

The Muslim Brotherhood and whether it is or isn't a terrorist organization doesn't matter, because the majority of Egyptians do not support them and they will not be coming to power.
 
There might be some extremist arms; yet by and large they are very close in hand to the birth of neoconservatism.

Think ... Paul Wolfowitz and Ayman al-Zawahiri as two examples ... flip side of a similar coin.


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Another Power of Nightmares devotee. The problem with Curtis' work is that he needs that brilliantly clean, shocking narrative to let anyone give a damn. The reality of politics, of academics, of intellectuals, is that you cannot get those clean narratives and keep a great deal of accuracy. Curtis plays with connections like Glenn Beck does, all too willing to jump to conclusions without slowly thinking through his thesis.

The ironic thing about documentaries or books hailed as "eye-opening" is that they tend to be disproportionately eye-shutting. The reader or viewer becomes a genius overnight and has this one problem or one subject all figured out. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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Ahhh no FT just another perspective and some valid points made in the juxtaposition. I am not sure I ever heard anyone claim to be a genius overnight from any piece of information.
 
The people in this thread talking about Islam are the people who suddenly became experts after September 11, 2001 and without doing any real reading into history. These are the same people who tend to think that Iraqis are Arabs or think the middle east is one big terrorist regime. At them I laugh.

The Muslim Brotherhood and whether it is or isn't a terrorist organization doesn't matter, because the majority of Egyptians do not support them and they will not be coming to power.

Good post.

I'd go further and say even that is irrelevant. Mubarak is pretty much out of there whether we like it or not.


Yes it is fascinating to observe. I will say from within they are demanding democratic elections. The army has been trying to bring a sense of order without violence and for that they have done their best under the circumstances. Mubarek needs to step down and offer smooth transition by stepping out of the way. His rhetoric seems to be causing an escalation.

I do not think the MB has a chance.
 
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Oh ... well so much to cover on this ... here is one intelligence report on The Muslim Brotherhood.

US Director of National Intelligence James Clapper said during a House Intelligence Committee hearing Thursday that Egypt’s branch of the Muslim Brotherhood movement was "a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried al-Qaeda as a perversion of Islam."

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4027076,00.html
 
Some aspects are, most certainly, but there are other aspects that are almost liberal, they've expressed a desire for Sharia law, but have also denounced violent means and terrorism. I wouldn't want them running my country, but compared to most of the other groups in the ME, they're pretty good.

And here's an interesting perspective on them: Muslim Brotherhood will likely win next poll | The Australian
 
I honestly don't know enough about the MB to make such a decision. I do, however, know that the majority of the Egyptian populace wants a secular government which bestows freedom and democracy on its people. If the MB does not stand on such a platform, I believe it will never have enough approval from the majority of Egyptians to gain a "power" position. MB may have representation in the Egyptian parliament in the future... it's not a bad thing to have minority voices heard in government... but I don't forsee a MB candidate for president getting enough votes to actually run the country, let alone toss out the constitution and install an Islamic theocracy.
 
Explain your answers, please.

Yes because on every channel moderate muslims are denouncing them not only in the US but all around the world. Based on this the MB no doubt must and cannot inline with the positions that are supported by muslims on a broader scale. The clear outrage from the muslim community supports this.
 
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