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Thread: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    The people in this thread talking about Islam are the people who suddenly became experts after September 11, 2001 and without doing any real reading into history. These are the same people who tend to think that Iraqis are Arabs or think the middle east is one big terrorist regime. At them I laugh.

    The Muslim Brotherhood and whether it is or isn't a terrorist organization doesn't matter, because the majority of Egyptians do not support them and they will not be coming to power.
    1. Iraq IS an Arab country (80%)

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    Quote Originally Posted by me
    The Brotherhood & co are only 1/6th of the Parliament but the Largest single party among many factions.
    This despite being Suppressed by Mubarak.

    I posted an estimate the other day (mine and a secular opposition leader) that this would Double without that suppression.

    So they can't leave out what is the largest single party by far at app 1/3 of the electorate; 'The Hood'.
    What an amazing string. Full of wrong-headed posts.

    One problem, 'Extremist' wasn't defined.
    Terrorists are undoubtedly 'extremists' but everything else is open to interpretation.. at least in Islam.
    Is wanting Shariah or at least many of it's elements "extremist'?
    Penalties for Apostasy, Adultery, Insulting Islam, etc.
    That's a solid Majority of Muslims.
    Muslims are in the main literalists. "Fundamentalists" as we call the minority who are literalist Christians.
    Of course, literalist/fundamentalists Christians everyone loves to Bash, wouldn't support the Barbarity literalist/the majority of Muslims do.
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    So what have you done to root out the KKK, or do you support them?
    Meaning ?
    People who know me know far better than that....
    But you do have a point....I am not a political activist, and I did know of a KKK rally in York County in the previous century. Should I go there and confront them ?
    And do not let "independent" fool you.
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    I honestly don't know enough about the MB to make such a decision. I do, however, know that the majority of the Egyptian populace wants a secular government which bestows freedom and democracy on its people. If the MB does not stand on such a platform, I believe it will never have enough approval from the majority of Egyptians to gain a "power" position. MB may have representation in the Egyptian parliament in the future... it's not a bad thing to have minority voices heard in government... but I don't forsee a MB candidate for president getting enough votes to actually run the country, let alone toss out the constitution and install an Islamic theocracy.
    I pretty much take organizations at their word. The MB states they are extremists, they also state very clearly their intent. I for one believe them.
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    1. Iraq IS an Arab country (80%)

    Well Arab is actually a linguistic category, like Romance languages and yes about 80% speak Arabic. I had thought he meant Iran. However, the point Temporal made about average americans knowledge of the mid east is correct.


    Quote Originally Posted by mbig View Post
    One problem, 'Extremist' wasn't defined.
    Terrorists are undoubtedly 'extremists' but everything else is open to interpretation.. at least in Islam.
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    Good point.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I pretty much take organizations at their word. The MB states they are extremists, they also state very clearly their intent. I for one believe them.
    I do not know enough about all of the MB and I would suspect it has many components just like Christians ... which are a mix of faithful people who follow Christ, Nazis, KKK, Fred Phelps types ... all kinds.

    However, their predominant word is speaking out against terrorism. Core value of most who subscribe to MB ... I do not know.

    Define extremist that you reference in your post.
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dion View Post
    I do not know enough about all of the MB and I would suspect it has many components just like Christians ... which are a mix of faithful people who follow Christ, Nazis, KKK, Fred Phelps types ... all kinds.

    However, their predominant word is speaking out against terrorism. Core value of most who subscribe to MB ... I do not know.

    Define extremist that you reference in your post.
    FIrst, I'd suggest reading something other than the Wiki page on the Muslim Brotherhood. I've provided some links at the bottom of this page. Second, when the MB identifies in their own core values what their stated goals are, you should believe them. "Islam is the solution" and "Jihad is our way". Their organization bred multiple terrorists groups, they've assassinated in the past - but now that the media says "they denounce violence" we're all supposed to believe it?

    Define extremists:

    Unremittingly negative. In past decades, the group had a blatantly anti-Semitic agenda, translating Hitler’s Mein Kampf and the forged Protocols of the Elders of Zion into Arabic and disseminating them to foment hatred of the Jews. More recently, it has contented itself with railing against “U.S. and Zionist domination.” The Brotherhood does not recognize Israel, and it crossed sectarian lines to openly support the Shiite militant group Hezbollah during the 2006 Lebanese war with Israel. Recently, Brotherhood leaders have given mixed signals about whether they would actually seek to abandon Egypt’s 1979 peace treaty with Israel.
    Extremists that came out of the MB... read the PDF linked here - this is a translated PDF document which outlines what the MB in America are all about.

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/PDF/e...85-muslims.pdf

    It's a global organization. I'm no expert on the MB, but in the last week I've read a lot about them. They're no secular group which helps little old ladies across the street and holds rally's against violence. Their history going back to Sayyid Qutb and Al Bana. For an organization who's views were started in Jihad and has existed for 80 years as a violent group, all of a sudden they've turned a new leaf? I guess I'm just the cynic.

    Here's some more information:
    Muslim Brotherhood

    Understanding the Muslim Brotherhood - The Week
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Meaning ?
    People who know me know far better than that....
    But you do have a point....I am not a political activist, and I did know of a KKK rally in York County in the previous century. Should I go there and confront them ?
    And do not let "independent" fool you.
    Meaning, that you say Muslims have to root out OBL, what responsibility does an Indonesian Muslim have to OBL's actions?

    Muslims are not a homogeneous group, and saying that they share a responsibility to root out the extremists is ridiculous, akin to me saying all Americans should be rooting out the KKK.
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post



    Extremists that came out of the MB... read the PDF linked here - this is a translated PDF document which outlines what the MB in America are all about.

    http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/PDF/e...85-muslims.pdf

    It's a global organization. I'm no expert on the MB, but in the last week I've read a lot about them. They're no secular group which helps little old ladies across the street and holds rally's against violence. Their history going back to Sayyid Qutb and Al Bana. For an organization who's views were started in Jihad and has existed for 80 years as a violent group, all of a sudden they've turned a new leaf? I guess I'm just the cynic.

    Here's some more information:
    Muslim Brotherhood

    Understanding the Muslim Brotherhood - The Week
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    other than alliance and mutual understanding of those who desire from our religion and those
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Quote Originally Posted by spuddy
    Meaning, that you say Muslims have to root out OBL, what responsibility does an Indonesian Muslim have to OBL's actions?

    Muslims are not a homogeneous group, and saying that they share a responsibility to root out the extremists is ridiculous, akin to me saying all Americans should be rooting out the KKK.
    But if Muslims aren't homogeneous, then we can't rail against them as the "other"! Then all we're left with are homosexuals, abortion recipients, atheists, immigrants, union workers, welfare recipients, democrats, liberals, climate change activists, the Fed, taxes/the IRS...
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    Well, they are an Islamist organization, which is enough for me to label them as extremists, but beyond that they are also the parent organization of Hamas and are maintaining ties with terrorist organizations from all around the world, so I'm struggling to see how is this even a question.
    Last edited by Apocalypse; 02-12-11 at 12:11 PM.
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    Re: Is the Muslim Brotherhood made up of extremist Muslims?

    With all the information presented on this thread, how can anyone say they are NOT extreme?


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