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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Government has been more of a problem than a solution for a very long time.
    Elect a new one then!
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Elect a new one then!
    Elections?

    Reduce the influence and effectiveness is the only way.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Elections?

    Reduce the influence and effectiveness is the only way.
    Ah yes, the old cut off the nose to spite the face procedure. I've heard of that method. It is why we never solve any of our real problems.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    Ah yes, the old cut off the nose to spite the face procedure. I've heard of that method. It is why we never solve any of our real problems.
    You mean we never actually reduce their influence or effectiveness, therefore never solve any real problems --- I agree. See, what you call the "old cut off the nose to spite the face" hasn't been done, ever, in this country. Government has grown steadily and consistently. What Obama calls the "same failed policies", as it doesn't matter the letter after the name of the politicians, it's grown under all of them. So how about a little REAL change?
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    You mean we never actually reduce their influence or effectiveness, therefore never solve any real problems --- I agree. See, what you call the "old cut off the nose to spite the face" hasn't been done, ever, in this country. Government has grown steadily and consistently. What Obama calls the "same failed policies", as it doesn't matter the letter after the name of the politicians, it's grown under all of them. So how about a little REAL change?
    What do you suggest?
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Catawba View Post
    What do you suggest?
    judges and justices who overturn the awful decisions dating to the New Deal



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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Government is the problem in regards to the following issues;

    1. National debt
    2. Drug War
    3. Entitlement Programs
    4. Ability to start/run a business
    5. Immigration
    6. Foreign Policy
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Government is the problem. By that I mean both mainstream parties and the rich lobbyists/corporate global fat-cats that pull their strings. When the bailout occurred; as a small business owner myself I learned what a LIE the so-called "American Dream" is and how there really is no justice in this system. America's trade policies and foreign policies are ruining our way of living and any hope for world peace.
    Last edited by Illumination; 02-09-11 at 12:03 AM.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Zaserac View Post
    This is one of those funny threads. It purports to be about "government" and if it is the problem. Without stating what the problem is. Reagan's comments were aimed at "the current crisis" but I'm not sure anyone in the thread is even aware what he was referring to. Reading through the thread and in particular at the author of the threads comments, it looks as clear as day to me that the real problem is this is just another bash Reagan thread. It certainly is not really about discussing the problems associated with government or too much of it or even government overspending. Just another anti Reagan thread trying to masquerade as an honest discussion about the topic of government. Maybe next time just be honest and label your thread what it is and engage on that topic.
    I call shenanigans on this post. The OP is what it is, based on Reagan's statement, often repeated, and provided in full here. Offer your opinion or no, but, this pissy, whimpy accusation that somehow the thread is unfair is just pathetic. Find a back bone!
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    judges and justices who overturn the awful decisions dating to the New Deal
    So your position is that all of the judges and justices for the last 78 years were wrong but you are right?
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