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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” — Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural
    Is government the problem?

    Explain.

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    I would have to say the government is a necessary evil. Its the voters to a certian degree who are the problem, because most of them would rather watch American idol,sports and other dumb ass shows instead of paying attention to what their elected tax payer funded servants do. That said I wouldn't have it any other way. Because it is better for the people to choose our law makers and so on. That said the government can not be trusted on their own.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    “In this present crisis, government is not the solution to our problem; government is the problem.” — Ronald Reagan, First Inaugural
    Is government the problem?

    Explain.

    Minute 4:20

    sometimes it is and sometimes it isn't.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    People are the problem. People suck.

    If the government is, as Lincoln said, "of the people, by the people, for the people" then it is part of the problem.
    Sure most people are gullible and uninformed but that's because they spend most of their time looking for work to take care of their families. They don't have the time to improve their lot.

    They do the best they can with what they've got. Don't be so hard on them.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Sure most people are gullible and uninformed but that's because they spend most of their time looking for work to take care of their families. They don't have the time to improve their lot.

    They do the best they can with what they've got. Don't be so hard on them.

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    Well said, Rick. I retract that cynical statement.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Depends what topic were talking about, when it comes to the job sector in particular I think they're very destructive. Obviously nobody has a problem with them regulating roads, bridges, etc. They try to exercise their power more than they should in most cases, IMO.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    I voted "No" accidentally.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Well, I honestly do see government as the problem. I teach in a very poor mostly rural area. We've had an influx of very poor folk that are; irresponsible, mostly divorced, broken up, never married, and drug using, engaged in multiple criminal activities who rely on government checks as a base for continuing their lives. It's positively...........criminal. In my neighborhood, government is the problem.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    We seem to be entering a climate where all gov. regulations - be they federal or state regulations - are viewed as evil. I cannot agree with that stance. Of course, the Gov. can overstep its boundaries. Anytime it passes a law that is overkill or unnecessarily burdens a person's liberty, such a law is not proper. If the restriction on liberty is worse than the benefit the regulations provide, the law shouldn't exist. But this is basic due process analysis. Today it seems like people see due process as more of a flat prohibition on all Gov. interference with personal liberty. That's just ridiculous.

    I'm in complete favor of giving individuals as much freedom as possible. But people are prone to cutting corners, and throwing others under the bus for temporary advantage, when given total freedom. I think it is more than appropriate for the Gov. to "solve" this problem through oversight and thoughtful regulations. A government that allows the majority to prey on the minority, that allows the powerful the freedom to use that power to take advantage of others, is worthless.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    This is one of those funny threads. It purports to be about "government" and if it is the problem. Without stating what the problem is. Reagan's comments were aimed at "the current crisis" but I'm not sure anyone in the thread is even aware what he was referring to. Reading through the thread and in particular at the author of the threads comments, it looks as clear as day to me that the real problem is this is just another bash Reagan thread. It certainly is not really about discussing the problems associated with government or too much of it or even government overspending. Just another anti Reagan thread trying to masquerade as an honest discussion about the topic of government. Maybe next time just be honest and label your thread what it is and engage on that topic.
    Last edited by Zaserac; 02-08-11 at 07:28 PM.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Government has been more of a problem than a solution for a very long time.
    I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on whats being proposed here, hed agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute. - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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