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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Turtle, you may prefer the way things were during the 1700s.....but its 2011, with 2011 people and problems...did you know that ?
    that is rather stupid

    I prefer that the destruction of the tenth amendment and expansion of the commerce clause and the enactment of the 16-17th amendments had never happened. that only means we wouldn't have a bloated federal government, massive debt and millions of dependent sloths demanding more and more government handouts. we'd still have all the stuff most people like like microwave popcorn, Ipods, cell phones, battery powered "toys" and debit cards



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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by ricksfolly View Post
    Reagan's deregulation gutted consumer protection, environmental protection, workplace safety and the right to organize. It led to many scandals that made his administration one of the most corrupt in history, with a record 138 officials investigated, indicted or convicted. But the biggest change was deregulation of banking, which led to crashes that have cost taxpayers literally trillions. The first was the Savings and Loan debacle that followed on Reagan's reforms that empowered banksters to gamble with other people's money, with their losses guaranteed by the federal government.

    Fired 1300 air traffic controllers, destroyed Union's bargaining power, dropped the income tax for the top 2 percent from 70 to 38 percent. Tripled the national debt, spent trillions on the SDI, which to this day still doesn't work.

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    lots of that was good

    public sector employees should not be in unions,let alone striking

    cutting the taxes was a good idea-no one can justify taking70% of anyone's next dollar



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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    That may be true.

    However, it doesn't mean that politicians only do ridiculously stupid things. Any person that disagrees with that is simply a partisan hack that doesn't deserve our sympathy...
    I completely agree and I would certainly never assert such a notion... It is just that many people rail against one candidate or president and conveniently forget their favorite presidents crap that they were involved in/responsible for...
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    It was true to a large degree in 1980.

    It's true to a large degree at present.

    I wouldn't necessarily agree with it as an absolute statement that was true at all times in all places, however.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by repeter View Post
    Government is not always the problem. Its stupid beyond all reason to even try to claim that. While government is not perfect, it is not always wrong either. I can't stress how stupid it is to deal in such an extreme.

    Does anyone actually want one example of how government worked? I don't think thats necessary, unless someone is hopelessly partisan and ignorant.
    I was a little kid when Reagen was president, but for some reason... I doubt Reagen meant the phrase to be taken in the extreme sense. I think it was his rebuttal to Jimmy Carter trying to solve problems with the government and setting price ceilings... but IDK. That would make sense to me, and I think most of the Conservatives today do think government is justified and is the solution in some cases, otherwise they wouldn't support government at all. If government always fails, and you honestly believe that... then why the hell are you supporting it's existence? Doesn't make sense to me...

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Here, I'll try again because this thread is intended to engage all sides.

    I made a point in my opening post of presenting the question as neutral a way as I could. I asked the poll question. I gave the Reagan quote. I even attached the YouTube link and location in the video where Reagan spoke the quote.

    In the poll, I made a point of keeping the choices as neutral as possible, Yes, No, Don't Know.

    Throughout I avoided loaded words because I wanted to invite participation.

    My response post, I unloaded as hard as I know how, because I am partisan, I do have an opinion. I know I am in a distinct minority that is critical of Ronald Reagan. That's okay. I don't actually find much comfort being among the majority of respondents.

    So, here's the bit where you get to offer an opinion and offer some insight about how you think about Reagan's point. Directing your opinion at me seems kind of a waste. But, hey, we'll all contribute in our own ways.
    Kudos for being reasonable, keeping your cool, and trying to start a respectful thread...

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Such statements are oversimplified crap that represent the greatest problem in modern American politics. You might as well say" is water is the problem?". A drowning man and a man dying of thirst will have very different opinions on the subject, and neither of them will be wrong. Government can be the problem, the solution or completely irrelevant depending on specific circumstances. You should decide whether government should be involved after you analyze the situation, not before. Even more importantly, you have to decide whether the specific solution is a good idea or not. In short, don't be a lazy fool, get off you ass and actually think about a problem before deciding how to deal with it.
    I like this response, and I think it is more true about Reagen and the people who really like him... I mean, he was obviously a social conservative, and felt government intervention in people's lives was necessary in some situations.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post

    cutting the taxes was a good idea-no one can justify taking70% of anyone's next dollar
    Its easy to justify when that income class owns 80% of the wealth.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    that is rather stupid

    I prefer that the destruction of the tenth amendment and expansion of the commerce clause and the enactment of the 16-17th amendments had never happened. that only means we wouldn't have a bloated federal government, massive debt and millions of dependent sloths demanding more and more government handouts. we'd still have all the stuff most people like like microwave popcorn, Ipods, cell phones, battery powered "toys" and debit cards
    Earthworm had a very vaild point in pointing out that your ideas and what you advocate fit in much better to the 18th century than they do the 21st century. You basically want to repeal all the important political and democratic reforms of the past century. I hear Glen Beck say much the same thing constantly. We do NOT live in the 18th century anymore.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Government is mostly the problem. It's too large and responds to the wrong inputs. There are a lot of problems though, not all limited to just government. One of the real problems is that even though it's obvious that government is the problem, the two main parties are both Big Government parties in all senses of the word.
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