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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    we laugh at the far left's howling about Reagan

    and i am amused about your gun analogy given you are one of the biggest gun haters on thisboard.

    and yes government is at best a neccessary evil that both parties-especially the dems-has expanded way way beyond the boundaries created by the founders.
    Turtle, you may prefer the way things were during the 1700s.....but its 2011, with 2011 people and problems...did you know that ?

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    This simplistic idea that government is the problem, secures Ronald Reagan his place among the worst presidents this country has ever suffered.

    I invite gun advocates who constantly are reminding us that we should blame the owner of the hand that held the gun and not the gun for the crimes committed with the gun. The American people own the hand that holds the government, it is their will what government does. Blaming government for the intents or the lapses of the American people is like blaming the gun for the sins of the gun wielder.

    With Reagan's simple-minded anti-government advocacy comes alienation with reality whose heroes today are named Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann.
    If creating more government as a solution, then at that point, government becomes the problem.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    This simplistic idea that government is the problem, secures Ronald Reagan his place among the worst presidents this country has ever suffered.
    Reagan's deregulation gutted consumer protection, environmental protection, workplace safety and the right to organize. It led to many scandals that made his administration one of the most corrupt in history, with a record 138 officials investigated, indicted or convicted. But the biggest change was deregulation of banking, which led to crashes that have cost taxpayers literally trillions. The first was the Savings and Loan debacle that followed on Reagan's reforms that empowered banksters to gamble with other people's money, with their losses guaranteed by the federal government.

    Fired 1300 air traffic controllers, destroyed Union's bargaining power, dropped the income tax for the top 2 percent from 70 to 38 percent. Tripled the national debt, spent trillions on the SDI, which to this day still doesn't work.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    People are the problem. People suck.

    If the government is, as Lincoln said, "of the people, by the people, for the people" then it is part of the problem.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    The question is too simplistic. Is the government part of the problem? Yes. Is the government part of the solution? Yes. Are factors other than the government as big or bigger parts of the problem? Yes.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Ed Gein View Post
    A FriscoLib slams The Gipper, not using reason, not using facts(facts defeat partisan stupidity).

    Thanks for the laffs, and for solidifying why I truly hate most liberals.
    Most politicians, and most certainly presidents, regardless of affiliation, do and say ridiculously stupid things.
    Any person that disagrees with that is simply a partisan hack that deserves our sympathy...
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Turtle, you may prefer the way things were during the 1700s.....but its 2011, with 2011 people and problems...did you know that ?
    And we have 2011 problems because people and the government don't treat issues like it is the 1700's...
    they create issues and then throw ridiculous plans around as to how to solve them, this is called a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    QFT.

    Wow, I was hoping for a reasoned argument as to your opinion; but, no, that's not to be from you.

    Reagan's legacy to the American people is a non-rational movement that believe what they believe without any conscious justification whatsoever. It's just what they feel that counts. Because? 'Cause. Got it.

    No thanks for that.
    Now, to be fair to Reagan, I think he had a good idea for the time.

    Remember, Reagan grew up in an age with little government intervention, so he was looking at how government was impeding businesses. Unfortunately, I don't think he really realized how unethical businesses could be, and exactly why they needed regulating.

    Also, Reagan's lifetime had the attitudes go from "every man for himself" to "the government will provide you a living." Now, granted, the reason why the government provided work to Americans was because it was the only way the federal government knew how to guarantee getting the American people out of the Great Depression - they couldn't rely on businesses to volunteer to do the policies that would help re-stir economic growth. Which is why FDR centralized the economy like he did.

    But after the Depression, LBJ did his "War on Poverty" and the welfare state was an actuality. Why work when the government will provide you with food if you can't afford it?

    However, after Reagan, and especially during the Clinton administration, I think we have gotten farther away from policies of welfare and towards policies of workfare. Instead of having an impoverished class relying on the government for sustenance, the policies liberals prefer are those that allow the impoverished to get educated enough to pull themselves up from poverty.

    So liberals have gone from giving aid directly to the poor continually - which is what the liberals of the '60's and '70's were doing, and what Reagan and Goldwater were fearing - to giving aid to the poor indirectly - by giving them an education and work skills that they can use to live a life of quality on their own.

    This latter type of government assistance was done by compromising with conservatives, and they do have valid arguments of caution.

    However, this doesn't mean that they are totally right and that the best government is the one that governs least. In fact, we are all consumers, and we all benefit from consumer protections that the federal government enforces.

    So, in short, I think Reagan's rhetoric was good for it's time. Some things in the U.S. does need less regulation. However, the evil in his rhetoric is his use of a broad brush - deregulation needs to be targeted, not total.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Most politicians, and most certainly presidents, regardless of affiliation, do and say ridiculously stupid things.
    Any person that disagrees with that is simply a partisan hack that deserves our sympathy...
    That may be true.

    However, it doesn't mean that politicians only do ridiculously stupid things. Any person that disagrees with that is simply a partisan hack that doesn't deserve our sympathy...
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Agree or disagree: Government is the problem

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Turtle, you may prefer the way things were during the 1700s.....but its 2011, with 2011 people and problems...did you know that ?
    that question would be another good poll question.
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