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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%
  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    70
The government's insatiable thirst for governing behavior continues...
 
Its a shame the majority won out and banned smoking in public places, bars and restaraunts.

Agree. I wouldn't vote to support a ban but ironically, I enjoy the ban. Now I can visit a tavern after work or whatever without having to get my jacket to a dry cleaner ASAFP afterwards.
 
The government's insatiable thirst for governing behavior continues...

backed by the busybody masses who can't stand the consequences of choice in society.
 
Agree. I wouldn't vote to support a ban but ironically, I enjoy the ban. Now I can visit a tavern after work or whatever without having to get my jacket to a dry cleaner ASAFP afterwards.

In terms of the results, I do like going into bars without smoke. I don't smoke and I don't like the way it smells or clings to my cloths. It was inconvenient. But I don't think, still do not think, that I can press my inconvenience upon the rights of others to force them into my way. The ends do not always justify the means.
 
In terms of the results, I do like going into bars without smoke. I don't smoke and I don't like the way it smells or clings to my cloths. It was inconvenient. But I don't think, still do not think, that I can press my inconvenience upon the rights of others to force them into my way. The ends do not always justify the means.

I agree with you 100%! I'm just admitting my guilty pleasure in the ban. I would absolutely vote against the ban if I was given the opportunity.
 
No, this was a case of doing what the majority desired.

You can hang your hat on "majority rule" on this one specific issue but the government has big time dollars invested in harassing cigarette smokers.
 
No, this was a case of doing what the majority desired.

The majority does indeed like oppressing the minority. Thanks for reminding me.
 
You can hang your hat on "majority rule" on this one specific issue but the government has big time dollars invested in harassing cigarette smokers.

Not only that, but the majority should not always rule. They can rule so long as they remain within the rights and liberties of the minority. But once they cross that line, they should no longer be given what they want. It's a good example of why pure democracy is a bad idea.
 
Is there anything other than this insult to your post? No, just making a worthless statement aimed at insulting people instead of contributing to the debate? Yes? Thought so.

Grow up, come back when you wish to engage in debate as an adult.

Which part of my post is factually incorrect?
 
I ask you again, which part of my post was factually incorrect?

Do you really harbor the belief that you can attack me with vitriolic bitterness and I am not going to call you out on it? The point is one of truth. You made a boast and I said you had done neither. You were making a foolhardy statement designed to show how daring you are.

So I ask again = when you boasted about wanting to die young and free instead old and enslaved and I said you had done neither, which part was factually incorrect?

from you

As I said, I'd rather die young and free than old and enslaved.

my reply

the boast of someone who has done neither.

So what was I wrong about?
 
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I ask you again, which part of my post was factually incorrect?

Do you really harbor the belief that you can attack me with vitriolic bitterness and I am not going to call you out on it? The point is one of truth. You made a boast and I said you had done neither. You were making a foolhardy statement designed to show how daring you are.

So I ask again = when you boasted about wanting to die young and free instead old and enslaved and I said you had done neither, which part was factually incorrect?

You did so through insult. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. Maybe when you point that out from my post, I'll return the favor. Until then, don't think that you can act smarmy and insulting to people and expect that they act decently to you.
 
Not only that, but the majority should not always rule. They can rule so long as they remain within the rights and liberties of the minority. But once they cross that line, they should no longer be given what they want. It's a good example of why pure democracy is a bad idea.

Is smoking a right?
Is jerking off in public a right?
 
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You did so through insult. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. Maybe when you point that out from my post, I'll return the favor. Until then, don't think that you can act smarmy and insulting to people and expect that they act decently to you.

You have done neither. Get over your proud self for heavens sake. You wanted to show how BADDD you are and what a freedom loving libertarian crusader you are so your used some over the top hyperbole which ends up meaning nothing.

The thing that really gets you is that I despise libertarianism and you take that the way a religious zealot takes somebody spitting on their icons. You react with the fervor and passion of a True Believer.

So what was I wrong about?

Did you did young and free?

Have you lived old and enslaved?
 
Is smoking a right?
Is jerking off in public a right?

There are certain reasonable decency issues which have place within law. However, I hope most intelligent and honest posters could see the difference between smoking and masturbating in public.
 
You have done neither. Get over your proud self for heavens sake. You wanted to show how BADDD you are and what a freedom loving libertarian crusader you are so your used some over the top hyperbole which ends up meaning nothing.

The thing that really gets you is that I despise libertarianism and you take that the way a religious zealot takes somebody spitting on their icons. You react with the fervor and passion of a True Believer.

So what was I wrong about?

Did you did young and free?

Have you lived old and enslaved?

So still nothing but off topic insults from ya eh?

You're wrong about me caring any which way about what you think. You're more than free to hold whatever opinion you wish to have. So you despise libertarianism. You ain't the first, you ain't the best at it. What do you want, a cookie? I do think that because you despise it so much, you allow your emotions to overcome you when trying to debate; such as you have proven a few times already in this thread alone. But that's your problem, not mine. I'm not here to correct the over emotionalized thinking and rhetoric of haters. Hate away.

I said it before, grow up and come back when you're willing to engage this as an adult. Till then, I have no interest in coddling the whining of babies.
 
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Depends on how you want to define harm. Walking by someone outside who is smoking doesn't do much to your overall probabilities of life and death. So there's really no harm there. If you spend considerable time inside a smoky building, then perhaps. But that is private property, and the property owner can set the rules. As it stands, smoking is a legal activity and there is nothing wrong with a property owner allowing legal activities to take place on their property. If you don't like the sort of legal activities which go on in some establishment, you are more than free to not go into said establishment. Hence you are not harm. Harm only comes when YOU make the conscientious decision to frequent the place. And in which case, that was your choice and your consequences.

Very well said. Wish more people would realize this.
 
Very well said. Wish more people would realize this.

Some people really do not like choice. They wish to shut it down where ever others make choices they would not make. It's a bit scary that some think this is ok. But that's the world we live in. There are always people who believe themselves so righteous in their opinion that they would infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual in order to get their way. A bit sick if you ask me.
 
Some people really do not like choice. They wish to shut it down where ever others make choices they would not make. It's a bit scary that some think this is ok. But that's the world we live in. There are always people who believe themselves so righteous in their opinion that they would infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual in order to get their way. A bit sick if you ask me.

Would you like some cheese with that whine?

It is really hard to find any sympathy for a grown adult crying about not being able to smoke a handful of leaves in their mouths.
You want to chew, fine.
You want to try the new electronic smokeless cigs, fine.
You need a fix, then go back to your car and suck a big one. It isn't the end of the world.
 
Would you like some cheese with that whine?

It is really hard to find any sympathy for a grown adult crying about not being able to smoke a handful of leaves in their mouths.
You want to chew, fine.
You want to try the new electronic smokeless cigs, fine.
You need a fix, then go back to your car and suck a big one. It isn't the end of the world.

Whose the biggest whiner? The ones that state an obvious truth? Or the one that tries to get a legal act banned just because they don't like it?
 
Whose the biggest whiner? The ones that state an obvious truth? Or the one that tries to get a legal act banned just because they don't like it?

I knew you be coming around so I save a big wheel of cheese just for you my friend.
 
I knew you be coming around so I save a big wheel of cheese just for you my friend.

I like cheese. Keep the wine though. I don't drink. Interesting how you didn't actually answer the question put to you though.....
 
Would you like some cheese with that whine?

It is really hard to find any sympathy for a grown adult crying about not being able to smoke a handful of leaves in their mouths.
You want to chew, fine.
You want to try the new electronic smokeless cigs, fine.
You need a fix, then go back to your car and suck a big one. It isn't the end of the world.

I'm not the one who went running to government, crying my eyes out about people making choices of what they can or cannot do on their own property.
 
I like cheese. Keep the wine though. I don't drink. Interesting how you didn't actually answer the question put to you though.....

The drive by trolls don't actually answer anything. They just make insults and run off without contributing to the overall conversation.
 
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