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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%

  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%
  • Total voters
    70
haymarket said:
the boast of someone who has done neither.
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One-liner posts without substance other than to be inflammatory, can be construed as trolling. Don't do this again, Haymarket.
 
Ikari said:
That being the case, banning smoking outside is rather silly. The real offense is not health concerns, but smell concerns. Some people don't like the smell of cigarettes. I certainly do not like it. But if it's just a smell thing, then too bad too sad. I have to smell all sorts of things outside that I'd rather not.
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I totally agree. I can see partly, the reasoning it's banned in doors (I'm a reformed smoker and detest the smell of cigarettes) but outside is silly. Shouldn't we then ban everything that's bad for us outside using that logic?

Nutzy policies and people...
 
USA_1 said:
But you are enslaved to nicotine and the tobacco companies. So you won't die free as long as you are an addict. Just young.
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That's your opinion. You seem set on the opinion that people cannot like tobacco, that the only reason they would continue to use it despite health risks is because they are addicted. Certainly there are a clear number of people who would "like to quit" but can't (they can, they just need to actually make that decision). However, there is a non-zero number of people who understand the risks yet still make the choice to use the product. That's their choice they're making. It doesn't seem to me that you believe this latter option to be valid. But someone can know that something is bad for them and do it anyway. Car accidents are one of the leading causes of death for many age groups, certainly for the 23-35 age bracket (or close to that, I can't recall directly off hand) it is the leading cause of death. Getting into a car and driving where other people are going to be is dangerous. People die all the time because of it. But they "have" to use their cars, they "have" to get from place to place (even though in some instances they could walk or have other alternatives). But people know the risks and do it anyway. Are they making a conscientious decision or are the "enslaved" to their cars?
 
Ockham said:
I totally agree. I can see partly, the reasoning it's banned in doors (I'm a reformed smoker and detest the smell of cigarettes) but outside is silly. Shouldn't we then ban everything that's bad for us outside using that logic?

Nutzy policies and people...
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I HATE the smell of smoke. But I HATE more the laws which banned private businesses from allowing the activity on their property. The ends do not always justify the means.
 
Ikari said:
That's your opinion. You seem set on the opinion that people cannot like tobacco, that the only reason they would continue to use it despite health risks is because they are addicted. Certainly there are a clear number of people who would "like to quit" but can't (they can, they just need to actually make that decision). However, there is a non-zero number of people who understand the risks yet still make the choice to use the product. That's their choice they're making. It doesn't seem to me that you believe this latter option to be valid. But someone can know that something is bad for them and do it anyway. Car accidents are one of the leading causes of death for many age groups, certainly for the 23-35 age bracket (or close to that, I can't recall directly off hand) it is the leading cause of death. Getting into a car and driving where other people are going to be is dangerous. People die all the time because of it. But they "have" to use their cars, they "have" to get from place to place (even though in some instances they could walk or have other alternatives). But people know the risks and do it anyway. Are they making a conscientious decision or are the "enslaved" to their cars?
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People smoke cigarettes because they are addicted. Driving in itself is not harmfull and is neccesary in order to live our lives. Smoking is harmful in itself and actually limits our lives. Comparing smoking to driving is ridiculous.
 
USA_1 said:
People smoke cigarettes because they are addicted. Driving in itself is not harmfull and is neccesary in order to live our lives. Smoking is harmful in itself and actually limits our lives. Comparing smoking to driving is ridiculous.
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Mmmhmmm. Sure it is. Both are dangerous, both increase probabilities of death, both are "needed". But you just don't want to entertain one scenario over the other most likely because you endorse on scenario and condemn the other.
 
Ikari said:
Mmmhmmm. Sure it is. Both are dangerous, both increase probabilities of death, both are "needed". But you just don't want to entertain one scenario over the other most likely because you endorse on scenario and condemn the other.
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Smoking is needed?
 
Do you honestly think that this is where it ends?

I wouldnt be surprised to see these fascist thugs currently running the country force you to buy carbon credits for the C02 you are exhaling. A sort of breathing tax

I can see the Libs going for something like this, these people are honestly this insane.
 
Iron Yank said:
Do you honestly think that this is where it ends?

I wouldnt be surprised to see these fascist thugs currently running the country force you to buy carbon credits for the C02 you are exhaling. A sort of breathing tax

I can see the Libs going for something like this, these people are honestly this insane.
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They would never label it as a "CO2 tax" or a "carbon credit" or anything of the sort. They will disguise it by finding something bad about it...no matter how small that bad really is...and then campaign against it on supposedly the "moral highground". Blowing the <insert bad thing here> all out of proportion until eventually they will get and tax it as much as possible. Don't believe me? What do you think that extra tax that people pay when they buy a pack of cigarettes is? What do you think the healthcare mandate is? Yet it is all couched in "better for you this way" "supposed moral highground" crap.
 
USA 1,

You seem to be preaching a lot about health but I notice you say few things about choices.

Areyou telling me that everybody must base their health and life on yours?

If there is one thing we have learned since the progress of D.N.A., is that no human D.N.A , is the identical
Therefore how could human immune systems be identical..

As for me I can't eat spicy foods and I stoped drinking cause it was causeing me problems.
Perhaps, you drink, or perhaps you like spicy foods for me that is bad for you that is good.

In short the humans of the human race are like snowflakes each one differant.
So be a good snowflake and enjoy your time on earth and leave the smoking snowflakes to enjoy theirs.
 
presluc said:
USA 1,

You seem to be preaching a lot about health but I notice you say few things about choices.

Areyou telling me that everybody must base their health and life on yours?

If there is one thing we have learned since the progress of D.N.A., is that no human D.N.A , is the identical
Therefore how could human immune systems be identical..

As for me I can't eat spicy foods and I stoped drinking cause it was causeing me problems.
Perhaps, you drink, or perhaps you like spicy foods for me that is bad for you that is good.

In short the humans of the human race are like snowflakes each one differant.
So be a good snowflake and enjoy your time on earth and leave the smoking snowflakes to enjoy theirs.
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Of course not. All I am pointing out is that smoking is harmful and people will be happier once the get out from under the addiction.
 
USA_1 said:
Of course not. All I am pointing out is that smoking is harmful and people will be happier once the get out from under the addiction.
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What's next, no porn, no vidieo games, no prescription drugs, no lotto tickits, no gameday celebrations. no drinking no overeating?
All are addictive you know.
I could fill a page with things that humans can get addicted to.
That's supposed to be a big deal.

You want to talk addiction, crack is 85% addictive after you try it just once.
How much is smuggled into the U.S. everyday.
What's done about that???

The taxes from smokers are paying for the law enforcement to do something about this..
Something else you didn't bring up every time taxes is raised cigarrette taxes go up first.
 
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presluc said:
What's next, no porn, no vidieo games, no prescription drugs, no lotto tickits, no gameday celebrations. no drinking no overeating?
All are addictive you know.
I could fill a page with things that humans can get addicted to.
That's supposed to be a big deal.

You want to talk addiction, crack is 85% addictive after you try it just once.
How much is smuggled into the U.S. everyday.
What's done about that???
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It's about what the government can make or save money on, not whether something harms the citizenry or not.
 
presluc said:
What's next, no porn, no vidieo games, no prescription drugs, no lotto tickits, no gameday celebrations. no drinking no overeating?
All are addictive you know.
I could fill a page with things that humans can get addicted to.
That's supposed to be a big deal.

You want to talk addiction, crack is 85% addictive after you try it just once.
How much is smuggled into the U.S. everyday.
What's done about that???
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Sounds like you need a cigarette..............
 
USA_1 said:
Sounds like you need a cigarette..............
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A good idea, I'll have a smoke and a cup of coffeee , you can go out and run for a 4 or 5 miles.

Lare, peace out.
 
Of course smoking is bad for you and dangerous for your health.

Second-Hand smoke is also bad for you.

But so is what comes out of the tailpipe of a car. Are those banned?

As long as someone isn't blowing smoke in my face, let them have their vices.
 
presluc said:
What's next, no porn,
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How about we keep porn legal for adults but ban people from displaying it on public beaches where families are?

Or can't you go two hours on the beach without your porn?
 
Crosscheck said:
How about we keep porn legal for adults but ban people from displaying it on public beaches where families are?

Or can't you go two hours on the beach without your porn?
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The old implied addiction comeback, how original. :roll:
 
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