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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%
  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    70
Most people don't litter the grounds with perfume bottles....

I could really care less if people can't run around with burning dried leaves wrapped in paper in their mouths. If they weren't so addicted maybe they could go an hour without a cig. I see it as just another sign of weakness with their addiction.

Maybe you've never struggled to quit smoking, but no doubt you've struggled with other personal demons. It's easy to be judgmental. But you need a higher standard than "I don't like it" if you want to criminilize others' "weaknesses."

Also, littering is already a fineable offense.
 
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Maybe you've never struggled to quit smoking, but no doubt you've struggled with other personal demons. It's easy to be judgmental. But you need a higher standard than "I don't like it" if you want to criminilize others' "weaknesses."

Also, littering is already a fineable offense.

Ever seen anyone get a ticket for tossing a butt?
It only takes a micro second to flick that butt but it takes minutes for someone to smoke a cig. Thus it would be far easier to catch the litterbug smoking one than flicking it.
The same reason they don't sell chewing gum at Disneyland .
 
Ever seen anyone get a ticket for tossing a butt?
It only takes a micro second to flick that butt but it takes minutes for someone to smoke a cig. Thus it would be far easier to catch the litterbug smoking one than flicking it.
The same reason they don't sell chewing gum at Disneyland .

But the act of smoking doen't create litter ... throwing the cigarette butt on the ground does. You're saying people should be fined for having the opportunity to litter? For looking like they might litter? That's a ridiculous standard for law, don't you think? Should all people wearing ski masks be charged with bank robbery?

As for Disneyland ... are they in the habit of fining or citing guests who bring their own gum?
 
But the act of smoking doen't create litter ... throwing the cigarette butt on the ground does. You're saying people should be fined for having the opportunity to litter? For looking like they might litter? That's a ridiculous standard for law, don't you think? Should all people wearing ski masks be charged with bank robbery?

As for Disneyland ... are they in the habit of fining or citing guests who bring their own gum?

No, they don't fine guests for having gum. They also know that not everyone spits their gum out on the sidewalk and grass areas. But enough do to ruin it for everyone else. So they just outlaw sell of gum on the property to keep their grounds clean for everyone to enjoy.
Just as not all smokers are slobs but enough are that the easiest way to prevent it is to make it illegal.

Am certain this may not be the entire reason for making it illegal but it does benefit everyone else.
 
Bad teeth
Bad breath
Smoking leads
To your death

A lot of things besides smoking can lead to bad breath, bad teeth and death. Junk Food comes to mind.
 
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Smokers are filthy people who don't give a damn about others.
I favor the ban.
Also much higher taxes on cigarettes to defray the expense of the clean-up....
As far as I am concerned, they can smoke in air-tight canisters and breath their own crap.

I feel this is a very unfair post that demonizes smokers simply because they smoke. To say that smokers are filthy and do not give a damn about others is very unfair.
 
When I see people smoking, I think they're most likely going to die way before me.

When I see people smoking around their kids, I think about calling child services.
 
When I see people smoking, I think they're most likely going to die way before me.

When I see people smoking around their kids, I think about calling child services.

Do you feel the same way when you see people drinking?
 
Do you feel the same way when you see people drinking?

Social drinkers may outlive me.

People who drink while on vacation with their kids...depends on the situation, are they driving a speed boat?
 
I just get tired of paying for other people's destructive behavior and to clean up the messes they make. I have little sympathy for their cause.

so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?
 
so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?

Sounds like veiled bigotry, IMHO.

What race of people are you talking about?
 
A few hundred dollars aggregated over the whole of the smoking community. And the whole of the smoking community does not have to have heart and lung transplants or get cancer. It's a dramatic increase in probability and more smokers than non-smokers will be affected by these diseases; but not all of them get it. Maybe we can stop with the hyperbole and deal only with reality? Maybe? In addition, they pay larger heath insurance premiums (which you don't seem to be adding in) and subsidize pensions (which you don't seem to be adding in).

people who die of sudden strokes and heart attacks don't cost the system near as much as a healthy guy who lives long enough to waste away from dementia etc
 
No, they don't fine guests for having gum. They also know that not everyone spits their gum out on the sidewalk and grass areas. But enough do to ruin it for everyone else. So they just outlaw sell of gum on the property to keep their grounds clean for everyone to enjoy.
Just as not all smokers are slobs but enough are that the easiest way to prevent it is to make it illegal.

Am certain this may not be the entire reason for making it illegal but it does benefit everyone else.

I'm afraid I'm coming off a little bristly here. Sorry. I just recently quit smoking -- again -- and this stuff still drives me crazy. Most smokers are courteous people who are happy to accommodate nonsmokers' reasonable requests. But you start to feel like a second-class citizen after awhile.

There used to be a billboard in my town with a picture of a teen lighting a cigarette with the text: "Welcome to LOSERVILLE, Population: You!" I didn't appreciate being called a loser every day on my morning commute. I started smoking when I was 13, and I eventually quit for health reasons, but it took me years of trying (and of course, years of paying ridiculously high sin taxes). I helped fund stadiums. I helped fund the arts. I helped fill the state budget gap with my smoking habit. Yet I'm forbidden from lighting up in the statehouse my longtime habit subsidizes.

People have all kinds of bad habits, but I don't see any billboards shouting: "PUT DOWN THE DONUT, FATTY!" Smokers have been mistreated by the tobacco industry. They've been mistreated by local and state governments. They've even been mistreated by billboards and public service messages. And at they end of all, they get to die young. Don't add insult to injury.
 
so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?

Interesting comparison. Would you mind your tax dollars to go for aborting those spawned children which would costs you more if allowed to live?
 
Sounds like veiled bigotry, IMHO.

What race of people are you talking about?

no race but you will do your best to find a reason to scream racism
 
Interesting comparison. Would you mind your tax dollars to go for aborting those spawned children which would costs you more if allowed to live?

not only has my family donated thousands of dollars to PP, I spent a summer volunteering (I refused a salary) as a guard/escort

i believe Levitt's conclusions in Freakonomics
 
no race but you will do your best to find a reason to scream racism

I'm not screaming.

How can people be 'no race'. They must be some race.

Of these undeserving over-breeders, what percentage (in your mind) are white? what percentage are black? what percentage are hispanic?

Answer the question honestly.

And, in general, what percentage of the population (again in your mind) are having babies they can't afford?
 
I'm not screaming.

How can people be 'no race'. They must be some race.

Of these undeserving over-breeders, what percentage (in your mind) are white? what percentage are black? what percentage are hispanic?

Answer the question honestly.

And, in general, what percentage of the population (again in your mind) are having babies they can't afford?

why did you try to make this a racial issue? are you one of those lefties who use racism as an attack on those who don't buy into your nonsense? haven't you been warned about screaming racism or claiming others are racist without any proof?
 
How can people be 'no race'. They must be some race.
My best friend is 1/4 Native American, 1/4 Hispanic, 1/4 African-American, and 1/4 Polish. What "race" would he qualify as? :shrug:
 
so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?

Smokers pay their own way. It's an expensive habit that makes the state richer thaks to the dogpile of sin taxes. Not to mention that several states -- mine included -- won a multi-billion-dollar suit against tobacco companies because of the cost of caring for sick smokers, then spent almost none of that money on caring for sick smokers. People will be hard-pressed to convince me that smokers are a financial burden on everyone else.
 
Social drinkers may outlive me.

People who drink while on vacation with their kids...depends on the situation, are they driving a speed boat?

Smokers may outlive you too. You are hating on a group of people for no other reason than you dislike thier habit. I am sure you have bad habits too.
 
Sounds like veiled bigotry, IMHO.

What race of people are you talking about?

Probably white people since they make up the majority of welfare and food stamp recipients.
 
Smokers may outlive you too. You are hating on a group of people for no other reason than you dislike thier habit. I am sure you have bad habits too.

So you classify smoking as a bad habit.
When one thinks of all possible bad habits I think smoking must be at the top that affects other people around it. Of course I guess one person's bad habit is another person's enjoyable hobby.

This may be comparing apples to oranges but smoking has many attributes as abortion. I don't care for either one but who am I to tell someone else what to do with their bodies. Both of these activities have ardent supporters and ardent opposition foes.
But I think most would agree we would all be better without either of these activities, it is how we achieve this that divide us.
 
Smokers may outlive you too.

Smokers will likely NOT outlive me.

Heavy drinkers will likely NOT outlive.

Social drinkers may (according to a recent study) outlive me.

These are facts.

You are hating on a group of people for no other reason than you dislike thier habit.

It's not about hate. It's about pity. I see them in the airports, in their little glass house, and I feel sorry for their families.

Their children will have to spend more time caring for them than is normal.


I am sure you have bad habits too.

I fart when I eat too many vitamins.
 
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