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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they do not. Smokers pay a lot more than everyone else. Over half the cost of a pack of cigarettes goes to the government. The reason they instituted the taxes was to offset the additional cost smokers cause the health care system. So that's already taken care of. But let's talk about the double charging. Not only the continual increases on taxes of tobacco products, almost always being described as necessary tax for smoker health care (it's not used for that, but that's the official excuse for them), but they are then charged more for insurance, and a plethora of other things because of smoking. They've paid. Not only that, but the largest costs to the health care industry come from trying to keep the 96 year old woman alive for another 6 months. These sorts of health care necessities cost well more than a smoker getting cancer and dying early. Not only that, but by dying early they actually subsidize pension plans for government and various companies.

    So no, the do not cost society a lot of money. The ones costing us are the namby pamby SOBs who can't keep their god damned noses out of other people's business.
    Smoking costs to society are enormous. Sometimes smokers may die younger and sometimes they hang on a long time, but the costs to treat them before they die are enormous. Heart and lung transplants and cancer treatments are the most expensive heathcare there is. Taxes paid by smokers do not come anywhere close to covering the costs of their destructive habits. The rest of us pay through higher insurance premiums and taxes.
    Not to mention, smokers loss of productivity and more time off work add a great deal to cost business must absorb. Smoking costs us all.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Smoking costs to society are enormous. Sometimes smokers may die younger and sometimes they hang on a long time, but the costs to treat them before they die are enormous. Heart and lung transplants and cancer treatments are the most expensive heathcare there is. Taxes paid by smokers do not come anywhere close to covering the costs of their destructive habits. The rest of us pay through higher insurance premiums and taxes.
    Not to mention, smokers loss of productivity and more time off work add a great deal to cost business must absorb. Smoking costs us all.
    Not as much as they end up paying into the system though. It ends up netting out. Besides, loss of productivity? Have you seen the average worker these days. They sit around all day arguing on politicial forums instead of doing work.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    I think it's great! This is exactly the type of thing that local government are supposed to be doing if their local society feels it's necessary. If this were a national mandate, then we'd have issues. But apparently the majority of the society within NYC feels that it should be banned in such places and so it has been.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I think it's great! This is exactly the type of thing that local government are supposed to be doing if their local society feels it's necessary. If this were a national mandate, then we'd have issues. But apparently the majority of the society within NYC feels that it should be banned in such places and so it has been.
    How do you know that Majority of New Yorkers wanted this?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    New York City Council bans smoking in parks, beaches, Times Square

    Is the new ban in New York a good thing or is it going too far.
    It's too far to do this to a legal product, but I understand the thinking, but how do you enforce such terrible laws? It's gonna be hit and miss as far as catching people, and then fining the **** out of them. Really taking away rights.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    How do you know that Majority of New Yorkers wanted this?
    I suppose it's not necessarily true. But what I do know is that a majority of their elected representatives in their local government wanted it. And so if a majority of New Yorkers do not want it and it is a priority to them, they will elect representatives in the future who will lift the ban. But regardless, in time, the end result is what the majority in the society want the end result to be.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    How do you know that Majority of New Yorkers wanted this?
    Also, as a caveat, I personally wouldn't be happy about this ban. But I think it's great that it is up to the local governments as it should be. If that society feels it necessary to have the ban, then there will be a ban. Just another reason not to move to NY, but that's fine. That's my decision and that's all I want to be able to make: my own decisions.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not as much as they end up paying into the system though. It ends up netting out. Besides, loss of productivity? Have you seen the average worker these days. They sit around all day arguing on politicial forums instead of doing work.

    Wait....****.
    You must be kidding,. The few hundred dollars paid in cigarette taxes don't come close to paying for a smokers 300K heart and lung transpant or 200K cancer treatment.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by fredmertz View Post
    I think it's great! This is exactly the type of thing that local government are supposed to be doing if their local society feels it's necessary. If this were a national mandate, then we'd have issues. But apparently the majority of the society within NYC feels that it should be banned in such places and so it has been.
    You are right. This is local government at it's best. If the majority don't want the law they can vote out their local politicians and repeal it. It's not written in stone.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    You must be kidding,. The few hundred dollars paid in cigarette taxes don't come close to paying for a smokers 300K heart and lung transpant or 200K cancer treatment.
    A few hundred dollars aggregated over the whole of the smoking community. And the whole of the smoking community does not have to have heart and lung transplants or get cancer. It's a dramatic increase in probability and more smokers than non-smokers will be affected by these diseases; but not all of them get it. Maybe we can stop with the hyperbole and deal only with reality? Maybe? In addition, they pay larger heath insurance premiums (which you don't seem to be adding in) and subsidize pensions (which you don't seem to be adding in).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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