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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Everything that NY state has said they were raising cigarette taxes to pay for was a bunch of crap. The money always went into the general fund and got used to buy off the power players -- just like always.

    2/3 - 3/4 of the price of a pack is tax. Smokers already pay full freight and more.
    Do smokers pay for their own lung transplants?
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Do smokers pay for their own lung transplants?
    Talk about hyperbole

    This is a stupid law. Glad I don't live in state governed by idiots. My state is governed by criminals instead.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Too far i say.

    I support smoking bans for public buildings, but outside, come on now...
    I agree with this. I'm a former smoker (I do on rare occasions, I admit.. but very rare) and I could care less what someone does out in the open air.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    I can see smoking banned in public buildings and in the workplace and restaurants, shared enclosed places where others are affected. Banning smoking outdoors is draconean, and seriously invasive to the rights of individuals who use a perfectly legal product. Yes, it's harmful to their bodies. So is alcohol and red meat and jelly beans. This is an example of government legislating morality on people who are not infringing on the rights of others.

    Now if anyone should be against smoking, it's me... and I am, because I grew up in an era where everyone I knew smoked... my family, my friends, all the neighbors... so I did too. Now I'm hooked up to oxygen, unwilling to go on the transplant list (face it, I'm old... not gonna take a transplant some 40 yr old with a family needs). I shrugged off the risks, and I'm paying for it. Personal choice, personal consequence. I'm still dead set against governmental prohibitions (which this basically is; sure, technically smoking will still be legal, only there isn't any place left to legally smoke), because they don't work and end up creating crimes that wouldn't exist without said prohibition.

    It's the damned principle of the thing. This law goes too far.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Just another way to hate on smokers and try to take away rights! Nobody "really" owns the outside and cannot tell me I cannot smoke on a public beach, outside parks, etc.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Too far i say.

    I support smoking bans for public buildings, but outside, come on now...
    Yup, I agree. I would say public/government buildings we should ban smoking in. But private business or outside, nope.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yup, I agree. I would say public/government buildings we should ban smoking in. But private business or outside, nope.
    Any private business that allows smoking in their establishment are either pants on head retarded, or just really pissed off with the world, cause they gonna close down.

    No one wants to do business or sit down and have a meal in a smoky, smelly hell hole.

    I wouldn't.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Any private business that allows smoking in their establishment are either pants on head retarded, or just really pissed off with the world, cause they gonna close down.

    No one wants to do business or sit down and have a meal in a smoky, smelly hell hole.

    I wouldn't.
    And that's how it's done. You do it through consumer pressure; not government law.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Talk about hyperbole

    This is a stupid law. Glad I don't live in state governed by idiots. My state is governed by criminals instead.
    Simple question. Do they? Smokers cost society a lot of money. It's fact, not hyperbole.
    As for the law, the smokers brought it on themselves and I couldn't care less about it.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Simple question. Do they? Smokers cost society a lot of money. It's fact, not hyperbole.
    As for the law, the smokers brought it on themselves and I couldn't care less about it.
    No, they do not. Smokers pay a lot more than everyone else. Over half the cost of a pack of cigarettes goes to the government. The reason they instituted the taxes was to offset the additional cost smokers cause the health care system. So that's already taken care of. But let's talk about the double charging. Not only the continual increases on taxes of tobacco products, almost always being described as necessary tax for smoker health care (it's not used for that, but that's the official excuse for them), but they are then charged more for insurance, and a plethora of other things because of smoking. They've paid. Not only that, but the largest costs to the health care industry come from trying to keep the 96 year old woman alive for another 6 months. These sorts of health care necessities cost well more than a smoker getting cancer and dying early. Not only that, but by dying early they actually subsidize pension plans for government and various companies.

    So no, the do not cost society a lot of money. The ones costing us are the namby pamby SOBs who can't keep their god damned noses out of other people's business.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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