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Thread: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

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    You were making it in response to the other examples... that smacks of a comparison in this context...
    I don't agree, but I see your point.

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    I never said I was immune to premature death, but my ability to fight back against a nasty virus is far better than that of the overwhelming majority of people due to my lifestyle, especially smokers...
    Not you in perticular, but others have said as much. As for the virus thing, smoking does repress the immune system but....

    Although the health risks of tobacco smoking are well documented, there is increasing evidence that smokers have a lower incidence of some inflammatory and neurodegenerative diseases. Many of the adverse and beneficial effects of smoking might result from the ability of cigarette smoke to suppress the immune system. Nicotine, which is one of the main constituents of cigarette smoke, suppresses the immune system but might have therapeutic potential as a neuroprotective and anti-inflammatory agent. - Effects of cigarette smoke on the immune system. [Nat Rev Immunol. 2002] - PubMed result

    As with most things in life it has good and bad.

    So by smoking my chances of other things is less than yours. Not saying this is a good thing, but it blows some of the more asinine arguments out of the water.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    I don't agree, but I see your point.



    Not you in perticular, but others have said as much. As for the virus thing, smoking does repress the immune system but....

    Although the health risks of tobacco smoking are well documented, there is increasing evidence that smokers have a lower incidence of some inflammatory and neurodegenerative diseases. Many of the adverse and beneficial effects of smoking might result from the ability of cigarette smoke to suppress the immune system. Nicotine, which is one of the main constituents of cigarette smoke, suppresses the immune system but might have therapeutic potential as a neuroprotective and anti-inflammatory agent. - Effects of cigarette smoke on the immune system. [Nat Rev Immunol. 2002] - PubMed result

    As with most things in life it has good and bad.

    So by smoking my chances of other things is less than yours. Not saying this is a good thing, but it blows some of the more asinine arguments out of the water.
    While on balance smokers have lower life exectancy and more disease than non-smokers, I haven't really made a big deal of that on this thread. Others have. I would just like to be able to live my life without my rights being infringed upon by smokers. If you want to smoke, do it. Just keep your poison away from me. If you need to light up, do it in a place where there are not non-smokers (and especially children) present...
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    While on balance smokers have lower life exectancy and more disease than non-smokers, I haven't really made a big deal of that on this thread. Others have. I would just like to be able to live my life without my rights being infringed upon by smokers. If you want to smoke, do it. Just keep your poison away from me. If you need to light up, do it in a place where there are not non-smokers (and especially children) present...
    I don't really see where your rights are being infringed upon the probabilities of you dying are not any greater after short term exposure to a smoker as he walks by you. It's an inconvenience, yes. Offensive, I can see that considering the smell. But I don't see where you personally were infringed upon if dynamically nothing is different between before the smoker walked passed you till after the smoker passed by you.

    As for the second statement, I think smoking should be allowed on any private property at the discretion of the property owner. Since smoking is a legal activity, any property owner may choose to allow any legal activity to occur on his property. As such, places like restaurants and bars should be allowed to set their own rules towards smoking/no smoking.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't really see where your rights are being infringed upon the probabilities of you dying are not any greater after short term exposure to a smoker as he walks by you. It's an inconvenience, yes. Offensive, I can see that considering the smell. But I don't see where you personally were infringed upon if dynamically nothing is different between before the smoker walked passed you till after the smoker passed by you.

    As for the second statement, I think smoking should be allowed on any private property at the discretion of the property owner. Since smoking is a legal activity, any property owner may choose to allow any legal activity to occur on his property. As such, places like restaurants and bars should be allowed to set their own rules towards smoking/no smoking.
    An excellant post sir, although we are on differant sides or the coin.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Actualy this debate isn't too far from the debate of religion or politics.

    Both have some people that say think and act as I do, and both have some people saying believe as you want and I will believe as I want, and both have some people who have the idea of doing what they want and just being left alone in peace.
    Just like this debate thread
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