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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    Which part of my post is factually incorrect?
    weren't you already warned once about making pointless posts?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    I ask you again, which part of my post was factually incorrect?

    Do you really harbor the belief that you can attack me with vitriolic bitterness and I am not going to call you out on it? The point is one of truth. You made a boast and I said you had done neither. You were making a foolhardy statement designed to show how daring you are.

    So I ask again = when you boasted about wanting to die young and free instead old and enslaved and I said you had done neither, which part was factually incorrect?

    from you

    As I said, I'd rather die young and free than old and enslaved.
    my reply

    the boast of someone who has done neither.
    So what was I wrong about?
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I ask you again, which part of my post was factually incorrect?

    Do you really harbor the belief that you can attack me with vitriolic bitterness and I am not going to call you out on it? The point is one of truth. You made a boast and I said you had done neither. You were making a foolhardy statement designed to show how daring you are.

    So I ask again = when you boasted about wanting to die young and free instead old and enslaved and I said you had done neither, which part was factually incorrect?
    You did so through insult. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. Maybe when you point that out from my post, I'll return the favor. Until then, don't think that you can act smarmy and insulting to people and expect that they act decently to you.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not only that, but the majority should not always rule. They can rule so long as they remain within the rights and liberties of the minority. But once they cross that line, they should no longer be given what they want. It's a good example of why pure democracy is a bad idea.
    Is smoking a right?
    Is jerking off in public a right?
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You did so through insult. Nothing I said was factually incorrect. Maybe when you point that out from my post, I'll return the favor. Until then, don't think that you can act smarmy and insulting to people and expect that they act decently to you.
    You have done neither. Get over your proud self for heavens sake. You wanted to show how BADDD you are and what a freedom loving libertarian crusader you are so your used some over the top hyperbole which ends up meaning nothing.

    The thing that really gets you is that I despise libertarianism and you take that the way a religious zealot takes somebody spitting on their icons. You react with the fervor and passion of a True Believer.

    So what was I wrong about?

    Did you did young and free?

    Have you lived old and enslaved?
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Is smoking a right?
    Is jerking off in public a right?
    There are certain reasonable decency issues which have place within law. However, I hope most intelligent and honest posters could see the difference between smoking and masturbating in public.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    You have done neither. Get over your proud self for heavens sake. You wanted to show how BADDD you are and what a freedom loving libertarian crusader you are so your used some over the top hyperbole which ends up meaning nothing.

    The thing that really gets you is that I despise libertarianism and you take that the way a religious zealot takes somebody spitting on their icons. You react with the fervor and passion of a True Believer.

    So what was I wrong about?

    Did you did young and free?

    Have you lived old and enslaved?
    So still nothing but off topic insults from ya eh?

    You're wrong about me caring any which way about what you think. You're more than free to hold whatever opinion you wish to have. So you despise libertarianism. You ain't the first, you ain't the best at it. What do you want, a cookie? I do think that because you despise it so much, you allow your emotions to overcome you when trying to debate; such as you have proven a few times already in this thread alone. But that's your problem, not mine. I'm not here to correct the over emotionalized thinking and rhetoric of haters. Hate away.

    I said it before, grow up and come back when you're willing to engage this as an adult. Till then, I have no interest in coddling the whining of babies.
    Last edited by Ikari; 02-21-11 at 08:24 PM.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends on how you want to define harm. Walking by someone outside who is smoking doesn't do much to your overall probabilities of life and death. So there's really no harm there. If you spend considerable time inside a smoky building, then perhaps. But that is private property, and the property owner can set the rules. As it stands, smoking is a legal activity and there is nothing wrong with a property owner allowing legal activities to take place on their property. If you don't like the sort of legal activities which go on in some establishment, you are more than free to not go into said establishment. Hence you are not harm. Harm only comes when YOU make the conscientious decision to frequent the place. And in which case, that was your choice and your consequences.
    Very well said. Wish more people would realize this.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Very well said. Wish more people would realize this.
    Some people really do not like choice. They wish to shut it down where ever others make choices they would not make. It's a bit scary that some think this is ok. But that's the world we live in. There are always people who believe themselves so righteous in their opinion that they would infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual in order to get their way. A bit sick if you ask me.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Some people really do not like choice. They wish to shut it down where ever others make choices they would not make. It's a bit scary that some think this is ok. But that's the world we live in. There are always people who believe themselves so righteous in their opinion that they would infringe upon the rights and liberties of the individual in order to get their way. A bit sick if you ask me.
    Would you like some cheese with that whine?

    It is really hard to find any sympathy for a grown adult crying about not being able to smoke a handful of leaves in their mouths.
    You want to chew, fine.
    You want to try the new electronic smokeless cigs, fine.
    You need a fix, then go back to your car and suck a big one. It isn't the end of the world.

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