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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    Actually Nazi Germany was in the vanguard of anti-smoking laws. Hitler hated smoking and banned it in almost all public administration buildings. He also publicly funded anti-smoking campaigns and heavily regulated tobacco imports as well as tobacco cultivation. In an aside, he was also a vegetarian and adamantly promoted that lifestyle as well.
    Do you know why Hitler hated smoking so much?
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Increased levels of toxins and carcinogens in the air.
    You can get that in your basement too. But that aside, are you essentially saying that you are not in control of your body? If there is a bar, you have to go into it even if there is smoking and you don't like to be around smoke? You're forced to go in, huh? No decision on your part.

    Smoking and tobacco are legal activities; this is what you need to attack to get your way. Otherwise, you're just making broad laws which infringe upon property rights or engaging in legal activities in public.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    You can get that in your basement too. But that aside, are you essentially saying that you are not in control of your body? If there is a bar, you have to go into it even if there is smoking and you don't like to be around smoke? You're forced to go in, huh? No decision on your part.

    Smoking and tobacco are legal activities; this is what you need to attack to get your way. Otherwise, you're just making broad laws which infringe upon property rights or engaging in legal activities in public.
    You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't harm others.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Do you know why Hitler hated smoking so much?
    He was a former smoker. That might have had something to do with it. Otherwise I would venture a guess that he was espousing a more health-conscious lifestyle for the master race. I'm sure there was some medical evidence discovered in the research by Mengele and others. It makes little sense to genetically modify a population and then allow them to damage themselves chemically. You have to remember while you may not agree with these guys, the Germans were years ahead of everyone else, practically, in many fields including medicine.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't harm others.
    Driving produces toxins. IE it's harmful to others. Should we now ban driving?
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    You can do anything you want as long as it doesn't harm others.
    Depends on how you want to define harm. Walking by someone outside who is smoking doesn't do much to your overall probabilities of life and death. So there's really no harm there. If you spend considerable time inside a smoky building, then perhaps. But that is private property, and the property owner can set the rules. As it stands, smoking is a legal activity and there is nothing wrong with a property owner allowing legal activities to take place on their property. If you don't like the sort of legal activities which go on in some establishment, you are more than free to not go into said establishment. Hence you are not harm. Harm only comes when YOU make the conscientious decision to frequent the place. And in which case, that was your choice and your consequences.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Depends on how you want to define harm. Walking by someone outside who is smoking doesn't do much to your overall probabilities of life and death. So there's really no harm there. If you spend considerable time inside a smoky building, then perhaps. But that is private property, and the property owner can set the rules. As it stands, smoking is a legal activity and there is nothing wrong with a property owner allowing legal activities to take place on their property. If you don't like the sort of legal activities which go on in some establishment, you are more than free to not go into said establishment. Hence you are not harm. Harm only comes when YOU make the conscientious decision to frequent the place. And in which case, that was your choice and your consequences.
    Its a shame the majority won out and banned smoking in public places, bars and restaraunts.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Driving produces toxins. IE it's harmful to others. Should we now ban driving?
    No, just smoking.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Its a shame the majority won out and banned smoking in public places, bars and restaraunts.
    It's a shame that holier-than-thou people think it's their rightful ability to tread on the rights and liberties of others to get their way.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by LookingGlass View Post
    He was a former smoker. That might have had something to do with it. Otherwise I would venture a guess that he was espousing a more health-conscious lifestyle for the master race. I'm sure there was some medical evidence discovered in the research by Mengele and others. It makes little sense to genetically modify a population and then allow them to damage themselves chemically. You have to remember while you may not agree with these guys, the Germans were years ahead of everyone else, practically, in many fields including medicine.
    This was interesting.....Anti-tobacco movement in Nazi Germany - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    After World War II

    After the collapse of Nazi Germany at the end of World War II, American cigarette manufacturers quickly entered the German black market. Illegal smuggling of tobacco became prevalent,[50] and many leaders of the Nazi anti-smoking campaign were executed.[8] In 1949, approximately 400 million cigarettes manufactured in the United States entered Germany illegally every month. In 1954, nearly two billion Swiss cigarettes were smuggled into Germany and Italy. As part of the Marshall Plan, the United States sent free tobacco to Germany; the amount of tobacco shipped into Germany in 1948 was 24,000 tons and was as high as 69,000 tons in 1949. The Federal government of the United States spent $70 million on this scheme, to the delight of cigarette manufacturing companies in the United States, who profited hugely.[50] Per capita yearly cigarette consumption in post-war Germany steadily rose from 460 in 1950 to 1,523 in 1963. At the end of the 20th century, the anti-tobacco campaign in Germany was unable to exceed the seriousness of the Nazi-era climax in the years 1939–41 and German tobacco health research was described by Robert N. Proctor as "muted"
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