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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    IE you care only for your rights and no one elses. Duly noted.
    Yeah, I am kind of like a smoker,,,funny huh.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Yeah, I am kind of like a smoker,,,funny huh.
    Apparently not. I am fighting for a right. You are fighting to take away a right just because you "hate the smell". What makes you hypocritical in this also is that you admit that while perfume smell may get annoying also you are willing to let it slide.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    You are fighting to take away a right just because you "hate the smell"
    yes, I also would fight the building of a rendering plant next to a public beach. What is wrong with that?

    Why aren't you fighting the airlines, surely that has you angry. Then you can fight the hospitals. Then public schools. Then restaurants. then..............

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    yes, I also would fight the building of a rendering plant next to a public beach. What is wrong with that?
    Just because of the smell? Doubtful.

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    Why aren't you fighting the airlines, surely that has you angry.
    Why would I fight the airlines?

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    Then you can fight the hospitals. Then public schools. Then restaurants. then..............
    You obviously have a bone to pick with all of them...and all because of the "smell"? Picky are we? If I were to fight anything it sure as hell wouldn't be because of the "smell".
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    I'm curious. Why does a smoker's right to smoke trump the right of a non-smoker to not smoke? A person should, ideally, have the right to breathe in whatever chemicals they want. But anyone who has ever spent time near a smoker knows that the excretions from cigarettes get out into the air, that said non-smoker must then breathe. You can argue about how much or how little smoke is in the air, or about how quickly it dissipates, but there is still some there. Doesn't every bystander have the right to NOT breathe these chemicals, just as a smoker has the right to breathe them?

    As a lifelong inhaler of other people's smoke, both from family and friends, I really do hate it. I would love if every cigarette was smoked far far away from me. However, I know that my preferences are not universal, and that life cannot always be comfortable. But I do support this ban. Public spaces should be held to a higher standard. Just as littering the ground is against the law, so too should littering the air. On the flip side, New York bans smoking in privately owned businesses, like restaurants and bars. And that is a completely different beast. Those businesses should have the ability to choose for themselves how they want to operate.

    In summation, this ban is good. The already existing one is not.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm curious. Why does a smoker's right to smoke trump the right of a non-smoker to not smoke? A person should, ideally, have the right to breathe in whatever chemicals they want. But anyone who has ever spent time near a smoker knows that the excretions from cigarettes get out into the air, that said non-smoker must then breathe. You can argue about how much or how little smoke is in the air, or about how quickly it dissipates, but there is still some there. Doesn't every bystander have the right to NOT breathe these chemicals, just as a smoker has the right to breathe them?

    As a lifelong inhaler of other people's smoke, both from family and friends, I really do hate it. I would love if every cigarette was smoked far far away from me. However, I know that my preferences are not universal, and that life cannot always be comfortable. But I do support this ban. Public spaces should be held to a higher standard. Just as littering the ground is against the law, so too should littering the air. On the flip side, New York bans smoking in privately owned businesses, like restaurants and bars. And that is a completely different beast. Those businesses should have the ability to choose for themselves how they want to operate.

    In summation, this ban is good. The already existing one is not.
    Very well put. It is simple as that.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Just because of the smell? Doubtful.

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    So you would approve of permitting the building of a rendering plant next to a public beach..............lol

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I'm curious. Why does a smoker's right to smoke trump the right of a non-smoker to not smoke? A person should, ideally, have the right to breathe in whatever chemicals they want. But anyone who has ever spent time near a smoker knows that the excretions from cigarettes get out into the air, that said non-smoker must then breathe. You can argue about how much or how little smoke is in the air, or about how quickly it dissipates, but there is still some there. Doesn't every bystander have the right to NOT breathe these chemicals, just as a smoker has the right to breathe them?
    If a person had a right to pick and choose what they breath in then where would it stop? What if I said that I don't want to breath in the smell of a cattle truck that drives by? The fumes from that truck? Does that give me the right to tell that trucker that he can no longer carry cattle? Drive that truck? Or drive that truck only in specific areas? No it doesn't. However I do have a right to either stay there and continue breathing it or I have the right to move away.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    As a lifelong inhaler of other people's smoke, both from family and friends, I really do hate it. I would love if every cigarette was smoked far far away from me. However, I know that my preferences are not universal, and that life cannot always be comfortable. But I do support this ban. Public spaces should be held to a higher standard. Just as littering the ground is against the law, so too should littering the air. On the flip side, New York bans smoking in privately owned businesses, like restaurants and bars. And that is a completely different beast. Those businesses should have the ability to choose for themselves how they want to operate.
    There are lots of things that I would love to have happen. However most of them I have no right to assert control over. So I just bear em.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    So you would approve of permitting the building of a rendering plant next to a public beach..............lol
    Nope. But I would oppose it due to other things...like hazardous materials.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Or drive that truck only in specific areas? No it doesn't.
    Your community doesn't have restrictions where a truck can drive? You have never seen a restriction on trucks with air brakes in residental areas?

    Find that a little hard, maybe you are just grasping straws now.

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