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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    People's rights end where mine begin. If people want to smoke pot, or crack, or whatever it is they want to smoke, they should be doing it where I don't have to inhale second hand smoke.
    Well the thing about public areas is that they're public and people are going to be there. Some may even be doing things you don't like. Consequence of freedom. You're not so special that everyone should drop what they're doing and pay heed to everything you desire and want. I don't like those black cloud belching diesel trucks in front of my when I'm on my motorcycle. But they're on the road and every once in awhile they're there. I don't like smelling the stench and disease of hippies either; yet every so often jerks from Boulder come up here. Gotta deal with it, consequence of freedom.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Well the thing about public areas is that they're public and people are going to be there. Some may even be doing things you don't like. Consequence of freedom. You're not so special that everyone should drop what they're doing and pay heed to everything you desire and want. I don't like those black cloud belching diesel trucks in front of my when I'm on my motorcycle. But they're on the road and every once in awhile they're there. I don't like smelling the stench and disease of hippies either; yet every so often jerks from Boulder come up here. Gotta deal with it, consequence of freedom.
    I keep seeing this analogy but it's a flawed one. We live in a fossil fuel economy and that's just reality. For our economy to work people have to drive, and exhaust has to be expelled. I'm also not sitting in the middle of a busy road when I inhale second hand smoke, this is about sitting in a park where people go to avoid the day-to-day city rush. There is no productive reason to smoke in a park that justifies my exposure to the smoke.

    I agree that freedom comes with responsibilities, one of which is that if you want to inhale substances, you don't get to do it where you please. Your rights end where mine begin. I also agree with earlier comments that a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone and that many smokers are considerate. Problem is, the bad apples make for a bad experience.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    I have known a lot of people like you. Have exactly the same arguments.....going to die anyway.....something else will kill me...........Hasn't hurt me so far........my uncle lived to be 101 and he smoked all his life.....Then when they get the bad news that they have lung cancer or they need a transplant they want the doctors to do anything to save them. After all they have a family to take care of.
    I am not self rightious. I have seen first hand what smoking does to a family. The truth is there is no bigger waste of money or something so harmful to ones health. It's an addiction that people like you deny that you have. You say you smoke because you want to smoke, but we both know that's not true. You have to smoke.
    Hehehehehehe! Yea you don't sound self righteous.

    Yes I have an addiction, and I like it. So oh well.

    Tell you what, why don't you let us smoke, and you worry about yourself. I am a grown man and I am perfectly capable of making my own choices. I don't need asinine X smokers telling me what I can do to my own body.

    Now if you are that afraid, go and hide because I have bad news. The air you breath every day is as bad with the carbon monoxide etc. Lets not even get into the other pollutants factory's etc pump into the air. Oh did I mention the water and radiation?

    We are all going to die! lmao!
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackdog View Post
    Hehehehehehe! Yea you don't sound self righteous.

    Yes I have an addiction, and I like it. So oh well.

    Tell you what, why don't you let us smoke, and you worry about yourself. I am a grown man and I am perfectly capable of making my own choices. I don't need asinine X smokers telling me what I can do to my own body.

    Now if you are that afraid, go and hide because I have bad news. The air you breath every day is as bad with the carbon monoxide etc. Lets not even get into the other pollutants factory's etc pump into the air. Oh did I mention the water and radiation?

    We are all going to die! lmao!
    I was stating fact.
    You actually like being a slave to cigarettes? That really is pathetic.

    I have heard all your arguments for smoking a dozen times before. Eventually everyone quits or dies.
    After your responses I hope you never quit smoking and get everything you deserve.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    I keep seeing this analogy but it's a flawed one. We live in a fossil fuel economy and that's just reality. For our economy to work people have to drive, and exhaust has to be expelled. I'm also not sitting in the middle of a busy road when I inhale second hand smoke, this is about sitting in a park where people go to avoid the day-to-day city rush. There is no productive reason to smoke in a park that justifies my exposure to the smoke.

    I agree that freedom comes with responsibilities, one of which is that if you want to inhale substances, you don't get to do it where you please. Your rights end where mine begin. I also agree with earlier comments that a few bad apples are ruining it for everyone and that many smokers are considerate. Problem is, the bad apples make for a bad experience.
    Yeah, and another reality is that we live in a free society where tobacoo is legal and some people are going to choose to use it. We reap a lot of tax dollars and benefit from it as well. Someone smoking in a park while you walk by is not going to kill you, it's just a bad smell and there's plenty of those to go around. You're rights are not being violated at all by someone smoking near your proximity. Your senses are offended is all, and there's no right against being offended.

    I don't know, a lot of these arguments remind me of the people on the Rift forums bitching against DPS and Heal meters.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    I was stating fact.
    You actually like being a slave to cigarettes? That really is pathetic.

    I have heard all your arguments for smoking a dozen times before. Eventually everyone quits or dies.
    After your responses I hope you never quit smoking and get everything you deserve.
    Everyone dies. But your smarmy, self-righteous, condescending rhetoric won't convince anyone to stop smoking.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    I was stating fact.
    You actually like being a slave to cigarettes? That really is pathetic.

    I have heard all your arguments for smoking a dozen times before. Eventually everyone quits or dies.
    Oh no the whole "you are a slave" Give me a break.

    That is so stupid. Eventually everyone quits or dies?

    Of course they do, if they die they can't smoke anymore. In fact if they die from anything they don't smoke anymore.

    I suppose if one was to lose their keys, they would find them in the last place they look?
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    Benjii likes the protests...he'd be largely irrelevant without them. So he needs to speak where he knows there will be protests against him and that makes him responsible for the protests.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Everyone dies. But your smarmy, self-righteous, condescending rhetoric won't convince anyone to stop smoking.
    Another intelligent reply.
    "Everyone dies"

    I really don't care if they quit or not and I'm not trying to get anyone to quit. I was just pointing out what a expensive and dangerous addiction it is. And someone that likes being addicted to nicotine has big problems.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Another intelligent reply.
    "Everyone dies"

    I really don't care if they quit or not and I'm not trying to get anyone to quit. I was just pointing out what a expensive and dangerous addiction it is. And someone that likes being addicted to nicotine has big problems.
    In YOUR OPINION, they have big problems. In the real world, not so big.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA_1 View Post
    Another intelligent reply.
    "Everyone dies"

    I really don't care if they quit or not and I'm not trying to get anyone to quit. I was just pointing out what a expensive and dangerous addiction it is. And someone that likes being addicted to nicotine has big problems.
    Or they like it, one of the two. Maybe you should make a sign that says "God hates smokers" and go stand on a corner next to Phelps. Have fun with your righteous indignation.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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