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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    So many high-horses, so little civility. Must be the thin air at those lofty heights.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The national average price for a pack of smokes is $4.32 (we pay more that twice than that here in NY). 82% of the price (50% of the price here) is tax.

    Nationally, Americans consume over 15 billion packs of cigarettes per year.

    So yeah, I do think so.
    For the math impaired thats $64,800,000,000 X 82% = $53,136,000,000. Then people should also add in the extra amount that smokers pay in insurance premiums. Also add in the other tobacco products that people use when smoking that isn't included in that 15 billion packs of cigs a year. Yeah...the whole crap about smokers not paying enough to cover medical expenses is bullcrap. They pay in enough to pay for the medical expenses AND to clean up the butts that idiots do throw on the ground.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Smoking is an absolutely disgusting habit and while I used to be rather tolerant of them, I have had smoke blown my way by too many an inconsiderate smoker to even tolerate them anymore.



    If they have children who would be forcibly exposed to that smoke, yes...



    If you eat junk food in large amounts, while that is a poor choice, it is your choice. It doesn't affect others. When you smoke in a public space, you are affecting others with the poisonous emissions from the cancer sticks that you are lighting up.
    It can be argued that parents who eat junk food in large amounts are hurting their health which can lead to an early death which would leave their children with no parents. So in otherwords you cannot really say that poor eating habits do not affect others.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    ANd I would file charges for assault... and in many jurisdictions, a case could be made on that basis...

    And those rights I point to are NOT non-existant... as can be seen by an increasingly growing consensus that non-smokers DO have rights... And if you have children in your home, you darn well better believe that smoking in their presense IS child abuse... and you do NOT have an inalienable right to smoke in public in the presense of others... and it is the attitude of people like yourself that make these laws ever more palatable for the majority of people who find your attitude and actions to be disgraceful...
    Assult? You are so funny. Honestly I cannot take you serious on this topic anymore. Assult my ass. haha
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    you got a "feeling"...

    k...

    I really don't think anyone thinks you're a heartless demon for smoking.
    I think ludahai called smokers heartless demons but am too tired to go look for it.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    People CHOOSE to play football or other sports and assume the risk with that choice for themselves. If people want to CHOOSE to smoke for themselves, that is fine with me. However, when that choice infringes in my right to live my life with out emissions from cancer sticks, that is NOT fine with me...
    Can you show that outdoor smoking infringes on your rights?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    Can you show that outdoor smoking infringes on your rights?
    Just as much you want the right to inhale smoke in public, others want the right not to inhale your smoke in public. What is so hard about that to understand?

    If you were chewing nicotine for your addiction I could really give a rip as that is your choice. But I don't want to have to smell that crap.
    It is the same reason most municipalities have zoning regulations so that you don't have rendering plants next to public parks.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    So many high-horses, so little civility. Must be the thin air at those lofty heights.
    It's hard to breath with all that smoke.

    Do smokers realize that when they smoke a cigarette, then get in a non-smokers' car, there's a faint smoke smell even after they get out? Thanks for that.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    By that standard, you could regulate almost any behavior. For example: Football.

    The Problem with Football: How to Make It Safer

    High School Athlete Loses Leg to Football Injury



    Sports-Related Injuries Among High School Athletes --- United States, 2005--06 School Year

    Football is a dangerous sport. Participation in football increases the risk for lifetime injury, including a form early-onset dementia ("punch drunk"). What kind of message is Tom Brady sending to our children?

    In my opinion, risk is a choice we should have the freedom to make. Unless you can show that smoking outdoors creates risk for anyone other than people voluntarily engaging in the activity, then I don't think you should criminilize that behavior.

    I'm actually surprised more people who identify as liberal aren't opposed to sin taxes and these types of regulations, as they inhibit personal choice (it's my body after all) and in practice they are highly regressive. The poorer you are, the more likely you are to be a smoker.

    Cigarette Smoking Among Adults --- United States, 2002
    I am opposed to this type of regulation. I guess I didn't mention that in my previous post. I was simply trying to point out one of the many regulations that are just social engineering in disguise.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Just as much you want the right to inhale smoke in public, others want the right not to inhale your smoke in public. What is so hard about that to understand?

    If you were chewing nicotine for your addiction I could really give a rip as that is your choice. But I don't want to have to smell that crap.
    It is the same reason most municipalities have zoning regulations so that you don't have rendering plants next to public parks.
    It is the outdoors. You can move away. And you cannot show that any smoker that is smoking outside and in public infringes on your rights. What is so hard to understand about if you outside and someone lights up that you should move your ass? Seems simple to me. Unless you are just so anti-smoking that you cannot even think with a level head.
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