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Thread: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    How much taxes do they pay? Is it $50 billion? I don't think so.
    The national average price for a pack of smokes is $4.32 (we pay more that twice than that here in NY). 82% of the price (50% of the price here) is tax.

    Nationally, Americans consume over 15 billion packs of cigarettes per year.

    So yeah, I do think so.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    It's pretty obvious to me that they are outlawing smoking in places where people go to see and be seen. No one cares about the online gambler that chain smokes in their computer room, or any haggard, aged individual who still smokes. It's all about mentoring by role model. Every time a hot 20 something lights up at the beach, or in the park, several children see them and associate the smoking with being smoking hot.

    That's how all of us children of the '60s started. We watched beautiful models smoke cigarettes on TV.

    I quit 5 years ago.
    By that standard, you could regulate almost any behavior. For example: Football.

    The Problem with Football: How to Make It Safer

    High School Athlete Loses Leg to Football Injury

    Sports-Related Injuries Among High School Athletes --- United States, 2005--06 School Year

    Football is a dangerous sport. Participation in football increases the risk for lifetime injury, including a form early-onset dementia ("punch drunk"). What kind of message is Tom Brady sending to our children?

    In my opinion, risk is a choice we should have the freedom to make. Unless you can show that smoking outdoors creates risk for anyone other than people voluntarily engaging in the activity, then I don't think you should criminilize that behavior.

    I'm actually surprised more people who identify as liberal aren't opposed to sin taxes and these types of regulations, as they inhibit personal choice (it's my body after all) and in practice they are highly regressive. The poorer you are, the more likely you are to be a smoker.

    Cigarette Smoking Among Adults --- United States, 2002

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The national average price for a pack of smokes is $4.32 (we pay more that twice than that here in NY). 82% of the price (50% of the price here) is tax.

    Nationally, Americans consume over 15 billion packs of cigarettes per year.

    So yeah, I do think so.
    Overall All States’ Average: $1.45 per pack
    Major Tobacco States’ Average: 48.5 cents per pack
    Other States’ Average: $1.57 per pack

    http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/...s/pdf/0097.pdf

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention estimates that smoking-caused health costs total $10.47 per pack sold and consumed in the U.S.
    The average price for a pack of cigarettes nationwide is roughly $5.51 (including statewide sales taxes but not local cigarette or sales taxes, other than NYC’s $1.50 per pack cigarette tax), with considerable state-to-state differences because of different state tax rates,
    Last edited by USA_1; 02-05-11 at 05:33 PM.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    I did not read this thread to the end (19 pages so far) but since this law is a boneheaded law, why not another boneheaded alternative? Since the same people who would support this type of law want to place serial numbers on bullets why not put serial numbers on cigarette butts? They could be registered to a smoker at the time of the sale and then if the butt is found on the ground we could then know who is responsible for it. Yes my Smartitude is excelent. BAH-HA-HA-HA-HA!
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by USA-1 View Post
    Overall All States’ Average: $1.45 per pack
    Major Tobacco States’ Average: 48.5 cents per pack
    Other States’ Average: $1.57 per pack

    http://tobaccofreekids.org/research/...s/pdf/0097.pdf

    The U.S. Centers for Disease Control & Prevention estimates that smoking-caused health costs total $10.47 per pack sold and consumed in the U.S.
    I had a hard time finding recent numbers for national health care expenditures, so I went looking at individual states. The first one I ran across was California, which takes in over a billion and experiences $800 million in expenses from smoking.

    Tobacco Tax Revenue
    CHIS News - October 21, 2010

    There are areas of the US where cigarette taxes more than pay for whatever expenses can be blamed on smoking, and there are some where cigarette taxes are insufficient.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Conservatives love to live in the past, don't they.
    And, IMO, these old cigarette ads are far less offensive than todays TV commercials.
    Not all conservatives... believe me, there ARE conservatives who don't need Rush, Beck, Palin and the tobacco industry to do their thinking for them...
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpgrad08 View Post
    Yes am a real preson, am admitting to the fact that SHS can be a danger but to do the degree that some of these groups say that it is. Do you really think if I smoke around you for 30 mins outside that you are going to get cancer or ur chance of getting it increasing.
    Isn't a debate a chance to present facts to change other opions? At first I said that SHS is no danger but with the info presented I concide that there is a danager. But also if the Info I researched no the degree that those groups mention aboved and anti-smoking agencies say that it is. Also I was piss off being called heartless demon cause I smoke.
    You admit to not knowing what that danger is. There IS a danger and a risk, and not only of cancer. Children, who are still growing, have a greater risk of developing various respiratory problems from second hand smoke, hence the increasing movement to restrict smoking in public spaces...
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by GhostlyJoe View Post
    By that standard, you could regulate almost any behavior. For example: Football.

    The Problem with Football: How to Make It Safer

    High School Athlete Loses Leg to Football Injury

    Sports-Related Injuries Among High School Athletes --- United States, 2005--06 School Year

    Football is a dangerous sport. Participation in football increases the risk for lifetime injury, including a form early-onset dementia ("punch drunk"). What kind of message is Tom Brady sending to our children?
    In my opinion, risk is a choice we should have the freedom to make. Unless you can show that smoking outdoors creates risk for anyone other than people voluntarily engaging in the activity, then I don't think you should criminilize that behavior.

    I'm actually surprised more people who identify as liberal aren't opposed to sin taxes and these types of regulations, as they inhibit personal choice (it's my body after all) and in practice they are highly regressive. The poorer you are, the more likely you are to be a smoker.

    Cigarette Smoking Among Adults --- United States, 2002
    People CHOOSE to play football or other sports and assume the risk with that choice for themselves. If people want to CHOOSE to smoke for themselves, that is fine with me. However, when that choice infringes in my right to live my life with out emissions from cancer sticks, that is NOT fine with me...
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I had a hard time finding recent numbers for national health care expenditures, so I went looking at individual states. The first one I ran across was California, which takes in over a billion and experiences $800 million in expenses from smoking.

    Tobacco Tax Revenue
    CHIS News - October 21, 2010

    There are areas of the US where cigarette taxes more than pay for whatever expenses can be blamed on smoking, and there are some where cigarette taxes are insufficient.
    From your source:
    Using data from the California Health Interview Survey (CHIS), the report estimates the cost of commercial tobacco use in health care spending and lost productivity— totals nearly $800 million dollars a year among California’s American Indian community.Of the total $16.3 billion in tobacco costs Californian residents shoulder each year, American Indians make up 4.4 percent of the costs even though they represent only 2.1 percent of the state population.

    From your source:
    Total US tax revenue:
    $16.6 billion in 2008.
    Last edited by USA_1; 02-05-11 at 07:29 PM.
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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    No, because forcing children to be subjected to cigarette smoke by parents is child abuse...
    Especially when it's an infant/toddler...

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