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New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

What of the New Ban.

  • Good

    Votes: 19 27.1%
  • Too far

    Votes: 49 70.0%
  • Other

    Votes: 2 2.9%

  • Total voters
    70
Now you're just being an inflammatory troll. Just because I think that drugs have creative uses does not mean that I myself partake, and I don't. You are really trying to push the idea that I'm a drug user as part of your agenda to discredit my character, but it won't work because your entire premise is based on an assumption.

Now, are you going to stop personally attacking me and get back to the actual debate, or do I have to report you to the mods?
I'm not attacking you, I'm attacking your position, and yes, some of it is tongue in cheek innuendo. As far as reporting me, ~ do it or don't. Just don't think that threats of that nature do anything to get me to toe whatever line you think I should.
 
Every time I breath second hand smoke, I am partaking whether I like it or not. Just because you have a right to poison your body does not mean you get to do it where you want or expose others. Sorry that's so hard for you to grasp.

You know I'm not a smoker and I don't much like second hand smoke, but unlike you I deal with it without thinking I have some authority over the people that smoke. Ever hear of moving away from smokers? It works, and all you have to do is use your feet.

Here is what you do when you are in a building that allows smoking and there is a smoker

exit or move away from the smoker until the smoke is no longer a problem.

Here is what you do when you are outside and near a person that is smoking.

Move a foot or two in any direction making sure to not be down wind of the smoker.

If you can't be bothered to use these solutions, then please, feel free to grow a pair.
 
New York City Council bans smoking in parks, beaches, Times Square

Is the new ban in New York a good thing or is it going too far.
I love it. Most annoying thing in the world when you are at the beach or at the park and someone plops down right next to you and starts smoking. We don't get much fresh air in this town to begin with. Allowing people to smoke in these areas seems inconsistent with the purpose of the areas to begin with.

Sucks for smokers, though. But there are a lot of other things people aren't allowed to do in parks and on beaches. I don't see this as being all that different.
 
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One has the health prerogative, the other does not.



Non-smokers are the majority. If you want to smoke, YOU go where WE tell you that you can smoke.



Sorry, you don't have the right to blow toxic fumes in my face while I'm sitting on the same park bench as you. I support any law that takes away a smoker's right to smoke in proximity to me, even on the windiest day.



And I would expect such asinine replies from someone who doesn't even understand the simple legal distinction between copyright infringement and theft. You must enjoy being wrong a lot.

As long as there is no smoking ban placed? I have every much a right to that park bench as you. Again keep it moving if you do not wanna sit beside a smoker.

As far as enjoy being wrong? I am all kinds of right on this issue and the issue of stealing.
 
Frankly, yes. Do you know how much fat people are costing the average tax payer? I'm already paying for the unpaid health care costs while these slobs go to McDonalds on a daily basis to shovel crap down their gullets, and then hospitals are obliged to provide urgent care when they finally have heart attacks from clogged arteries. Americans bitch about socialized health care but they're already paying for it. I am tired of the public subsidizing the habits of others. They need to be cut loose. If fat people don't want to take responsibility for being fat, then they can just go die somewhere. I don't really care.

Same with smokers. I shouldn't have to inhale your crap because you have an addiction or move because you have an entitlement to smoke the crap. Take responsibility and do your drugs elsewhere. It's not that hard. Then when you get cancer, it shouldn't be my additional responsibility to pay for your stupid ass.



lol... are you for real?

I guess you are prefect and have no bad habits. Right? lol. So what is your vice? Since you do not smoke or eat junk food what brings you a bit of joy? Stealing others art, music and movies? haha.
 
Sooooo, just so I'm clear, you extoll the virtues of drug use, but want to see cigarettes banned?

Ahh.. I smell hypocrisy in the air. Wonder how that smells to non-smokers:2razz::lamo
 
Please, if it were up to you, people would be taking heroin breaks throughout the day. Oh but smoking cigarettes, now that would be banned.

And I see you have a short term memory and logic issue. Wonder why.

Oh my gosh. Dying here. Best quote from Temp "I should be able to put whatever I want in my body as part of my exploration of this life, and no one else has any say in that. Everything that has gone wrong in the world because of drugs is actually because of drug LAWS, not the drugs themselves."

But the hell with the smokers. Oh my gosh. Talk about talking out one side of your mouth and then with the other:2razz:

By the way Temporal, keep your kittens off the catnip:lamo
 
Why is it legal to smoke Cig's and not Pot?
 
Ahh.. I smell hypocrisy in the air. Wonder how that smells to non-smokers:2razz::lamo

Does that mean we're exposed to second hand hypocrisy?

Oh my gosh. Dying here. Best quote from Temp "I should be able to put whatever I want in my body as part of my exploration of this life, and no one else has any say in that. Everything that has gone wrong in the world because of drugs is actually because of drug LAWS, not the drugs themselves."

But the hell with the smokers. Oh my gosh. Talk about talking out one side of your mouth and then with the other:2razz:

By the way Temporal, keep your kittens off the catnip:lamo
I think Temp just assumed that none of us ever read more than one thread at a time. ;)
 
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I'm wasn't privy to this other debate, but I think there's an obvious distinction between the right to use drugs, generally, and a right to stink up any public area you want and cause whoever is nearby to join in the consequences of your decision.
 
The problem is I am an adult. I own my body and I or we are perfectly capable of deciding what we can put in our body.

It is the second hand smoke and butts that seem to be the real problem on this issue. Some smokers are inconsiderate assholes, and unfortunately all smokers are paying the price.

Yeah. It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for the rest of us. While I will not go as far to say that inconsiderate smokers have ruined it for all us kind smokers? They sure played a role in our rights being taken away.

Having said that? I am 100% sure that reguardless of how considerate smokers have been? These haters would still be trying to strip of our rights to do what we wanna do in pubic places. It would not matter to them if all smokers were of the considerate nature as they simply HATE us for smoking.
 
Yeah. It only takes a few bad apples to ruin it for the rest of us. While I will not go as far to say that inconsiderate smokers have ruined it for all us kind smokers? They sure played a role in our rights being taken away.

Having said that? I am 100% sure that reguardless of how considerate smokers have been? These haters would still be trying to strip of our rights to do what we wanna do in pubic places. It would not matter to them if all smokers were of the considerate nature as they simply HATE us for smoking.

No, they don't hate you. They just want you to quit and one day you will eventually. It will be one of the best days of your lives.
 
You know I'm not a smoker and I don't much like second hand smoke, but unlike you I deal with it without thinking I have some authority over the people that smoke. Ever hear of moving away from smokers? It works, and all you have to do is use your feet.

Here is what you do when you are in a building that allows smoking and there is a smoker

exit or move away from the smoker until the smoke is no longer a problem.

Here is what you do when you are outside and near a person that is smoking.

Move a foot or two in any direction making sure to not be down wind of the smoker.

If you can't be bothered to use these solutions, then please, feel free to grow a pair.

This is one of the best post in this thread.

I hope that some non-smokers in this thread start following your simple and easy steps:cool:
 
Why is it legal to smoke Cig's and not Pot?

Other than the obvious differences (how they affect you physically - and their ingredients) . . . and all that it's also a social-issue.

There *was* a public acceptance concerning cigarettes - you know - there were the operatic stems and fanciful cases and so on. ther was a whole 'mystic' or 'class' about smoking - before they were admittedly harmful. . . now that's gone and replaced with awareness and a disapproval of smoking. It is no longer socially legitimate and most certainly no one thinks it's 'fancy' or 'high-class'

So it went from being an acceptable social-engagement to just be a gross nuisance to many.

Most illicit drugs - and pot (because pot's not illicit) never had - never will - have such connotations. How they effect you is seen as lazy, distasteful - and what made pot popular were the 60's . . . so that, there, further associates with the 'destestable riff-raff'

so most of these issues are a social-concept just like women wearing high-heels and men wearing ties.
 
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Oh my gosh. Dying here. Best quote from Temp "I should be able to put whatever I want in my body as part of my exploration of this life, and no one else has any say in that. Everything that has gone wrong in the world because of drugs is actually because of drug LAWS, not the drugs themselves."

But the hell with the smokers. Oh my gosh. Talk about talking out one side of your mouth and then with the other:2razz:

By the way Temporal, keep your kittens off the catnip:lamo

Once again, for the blind who cannot read, nowhere did I say that you shouldn't be allowed to smoke. This is about WHERE you can smoke, not smoking in of itself.

But keep making things up I didn't say all you want, it just makes you look bad.
 
I think Temp just assumed that none of us ever read more than one thread at a time. ;)

Oh I am, I just assumed that others who navigate through multiple threads have the intelligence to know the context of the remarks. Saying that I support the right of others to put whatever they want into their bodies is a separate discussion from WHERE they can go to accomplish this. A public park isn't one of them. If you weren't so intellectually dishonest you would see the very clear distinction between the two arguments.

You think you're clever but you're really just demonstrating that you can't read.
 
It's probably more about litter. It costs the city money to supply butt receptacles, empty them, dispose of the butts and clean up after smokers. Littering laws are ineffective and hard to enforce. Smokers not policing themselves led to this law. They can blame themselves.

Hey we should test this. Have some people smoke a pipe and see what happens.
 
Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in saying that drugs are illegal, yet an addictive substance that is proven to cause millions of deaths each year, is legal? I think that's something supports my claims that humans are the most ridiculous creatures on Earth. If people have the right to slowly kill themselves, then I have the right to shoot up on heroin. Personally, I don't really care about restrictions on poison.
 
Am I the only one who sees the hypocrisy in saying that drugs are illegal, yet an addictive substance that is proven to cause millions of deaths each year, is legal? I think that's something supports my claims that humans are the most ridiculous creatures on Earth. If people have the right to slowly kill themselves, then I have the right to shoot up on heroin. Personally, I don't really care about restrictions on poison.

Ok if anti-ban is represented by folks who are for the full legalization of all hard drugs, then **** smokers and ban that ****.

I just can't make the leap for smoking a cig outside to shoot up heroin. Big, world of difference there.
 
Oh I am, I just assumed that others who navigate through multiple threads have the intelligence to know the context of the remarks. Saying that I support the right of others to put whatever they want into their bodies is a separate discussion from WHERE they can go to accomplish this. A public park isn't one of them. If you weren't so intellectually dishonest you would see the very clear distinction between the two arguments.

You think you're clever but you're really just demonstrating that you can't read.
You just don't get it do you? On one hand you get on your high horse about smokers and how vile and disgusting they are, but at the same time you talk almost reverently about the awesome creativity of drug users and how there should be no laws prohibiting what you put into your body as part of your exploration of life (or whatever) and you accuse me of intellectual dishonesty? I have a question though, if drugs are so awesome and enlightening, why did you get your knickers in a twist when you thought I suggested you were on them? Your positions are so contradictory it's just laughable. If I'm clever, it's because you make it easy for me. ;)
 
I guess you are prefect and have no bad habits. Right? lol. So what is your vice? Since you do not smoke or eat junk food what brings you a bit of joy? Stealing others art, music and movies? haha.

My joy? A good run or bike ride and enjoying a nice cup of tea afterward...
 
I feel this is a very unfair post that demonizes smokers simply because they smoke. To say that smokers are filthy and do not give a damn about others is very unfair.

Unfair ?
true
And its also unfair that they pollute the air and the surrounding surfaces.
I propose higher taxes on these weeds, including marijuana(which should be legal by now), this to pay for some of the clean-up.
 
You know if they legalised smoking everywhere, at every age, then it would deter people from using their cigarettes. As cigarette ownership goes up, it been shown that smoking goes down.
 
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