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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?
    Sounds like veiled bigotry, IMHO.

    What race of people are you talking about?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    A few hundred dollars aggregated over the whole of the smoking community. And the whole of the smoking community does not have to have heart and lung transplants or get cancer. It's a dramatic increase in probability and more smokers than non-smokers will be affected by these diseases; but not all of them get it. Maybe we can stop with the hyperbole and deal only with reality? Maybe? In addition, they pay larger heath insurance premiums (which you don't seem to be adding in) and subsidize pensions (which you don't seem to be adding in).
    people who die of sudden strokes and heart attacks don't cost the system near as much as a healthy guy who lives long enough to waste away from dementia etc



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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    No, they don't fine guests for having gum. They also know that not everyone spits their gum out on the sidewalk and grass areas. But enough do to ruin it for everyone else. So they just outlaw sell of gum on the property to keep their grounds clean for everyone to enjoy.
    Just as not all smokers are slobs but enough are that the easiest way to prevent it is to make it illegal.

    Am certain this may not be the entire reason for making it illegal but it does benefit everyone else.
    I'm afraid I'm coming off a little bristly here. Sorry. I just recently quit smoking -- again -- and this stuff still drives me crazy. Most smokers are courteous people who are happy to accommodate nonsmokers' reasonable requests. But you start to feel like a second-class citizen after awhile.

    There used to be a billboard in my town with a picture of a teen lighting a cigarette with the text: "Welcome to LOSERVILLE, Population: You!" I didn't appreciate being called a loser every day on my morning commute. I started smoking when I was 13, and I eventually quit for health reasons, but it took me years of trying (and of course, years of paying ridiculously high sin taxes). I helped fund stadiums. I helped fund the arts. I helped fill the state budget gap with my smoking habit. Yet I'm forbidden from lighting up in the statehouse my longtime habit subsidizes.

    People have all kinds of bad habits, but I don't see any billboards shouting: "PUT DOWN THE DONUT, FATTY!" Smokers have been mistreated by the tobacco industry. They've been mistreated by local and state governments. They've even been mistreated by billboards and public service messages. And at they end of all, they get to die young. Don't add insult to injury.

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?
    Interesting comparison. Would you mind your tax dollars to go for aborting those spawned children which would costs you more if allowed to live?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Sounds like veiled bigotry, IMHO.

    What race of people are you talking about?
    no race but you will do your best to find a reason to scream racism



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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    Interesting comparison. Would you mind your tax dollars to go for aborting those spawned children which would costs you more if allowed to live?
    not only has my family donated thousands of dollars to PP, I spent a summer volunteering (I refused a salary) as a guard/escort

    i believe Levitt's conclusions in Freakonomics



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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    no race but you will do your best to find a reason to scream racism
    I'm not screaming.

    How can people be 'no race'. They must be some race.

    Of these undeserving over-breeders, what percentage (in your mind) are white? what percentage are black? what percentage are hispanic?

    Answer the question honestly.

    And, in general, what percentage of the population (again in your mind) are having babies they can't afford?

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I'm not screaming.

    How can people be 'no race'. They must be some race.

    Of these undeserving over-breeders, what percentage (in your mind) are white? what percentage are black? what percentage are hispanic?

    Answer the question honestly.

    And, in general, what percentage of the population (again in your mind) are having babies they can't afford?
    why did you try to make this a racial issue? are you one of those lefties who use racism as an attack on those who don't buy into your nonsense? haven't you been warned about screaming racism or claiming others are racist without any proof?



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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    How can people be 'no race'. They must be some race.
    My best friend is 1/4 Native American, 1/4 Hispanic, 1/4 African-American, and 1/4 Polish. What "race" would he qualify as?
    "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - Dr. Carl Sagan

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    Re: New Smoking Ban Good or Bad?

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you agree with me that taxpayers shouldn't be forced to pay with those who spawn like rabbits when they cannot afford to even raise one child properly?
    Smokers pay their own way. It's an expensive habit that makes the state richer thaks to the dogpile of sin taxes. Not to mention that several states -- mine included -- won a multi-billion-dollar suit against tobacco companies because of the cost of caring for sick smokers, then spent almost none of that money on caring for sick smokers. People will be hard-pressed to convince me that smokers are a financial burden on everyone else.

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